The Weekly Roundup- 11/2/20

About Richard Allen
Photography for me is about capturing “that moment” when the light, emotion and movement all come together. I see beauty and emotion in the movement of sport and use my skill in lighting and the camera to capture that sweet spot when all that comes together. While bringing a authentic and current tone by always looking at new ways of approaching projects

I also work with moving image creating short films as well as creating moving content such as animated Gifs and Cinemagraphs.

I work with many global brands for their advertising campaigns in the Sports and Entertainment industry . As well as working on many of my passion projects.

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Episode 30 Transcript:

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John English: People are coming in. Yeah, we have.

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John English: We have no presidential debate tonight to compete with

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John English: We are competing with the society of illustrators side though.

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Tim Trabon: Oh and and live brush. People want to rest down before

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C. F. Payne: Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: No worries. Saturday stream.

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John English: Race training. So he's

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John English: Gonna be here tonight. He's got to be a good

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John English: Hi everybody this is john I'm here with of course you can hear Timmy.

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John English: Timmy Trayvon my business partner and Bill Kolb and CF pain and Montalvo Machado and Don Kilpatrick

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John English: I think there's going to be a couple more joining us in a few minutes, that are just running a little bit late, which is typical but

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John English: We're going to jump in and get started here in just a second. I just want to remind everybody. Hey, this is coming from Visual Arts passage, we're in our we've had a middle of our third week of our semester right now.

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John English: It's going. Terrific. We've had a great semester.

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John English: Beginnings of a great semester. Last week we had Catherine lamb as a guest speaker. This week we have

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John English: Haley Herrick is coming into the concept classes should be should be a fun week weekend.

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John English: We're here for our drawing night, many of the same people that have been trying with us from day one are here and they've been great supporters and I think everybody that that's participating so far.

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John English: I also want to give a big thanks to Richard Allen I think this might be as the last night to me that we're drawing just get through the month with Richard. I'm not sure we did this.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, I thought I

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John English: Need it so

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, yeah, we might

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Tim Trabon: We might be moving on, you know, it's kind of at the the the generosity of

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John English: Strangers and stuff.

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Tim Trabon: We, we should have done like a spooky night. Instead, but

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Tim Trabon: Just to bias more time. But yeah, it'll be good.

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John English: And then, thank you. A big thank you to the art house for the connections in the Wade brothers for introducing us and

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John English: Allowing us to co mingle with these photographers

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John English: And I think that's Oh, one more thing you need to get to the reference. That's how you get to the reference

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John English: Go to our website com forward slash photos.

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John English: And that's we have fine.

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John English: That's where you'll find a reference and then hashtag illustration isolation, both on Facebook and on Instagram to post your work in between or afterwards.

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John English: It's fun to do. I, I enjoy going and reviewing everything at the end, looking at people's work. So get them up. Get them posted before the end of the night.

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John English: Alright, so I think it's time to draw and that is going to be built CO is going to be up first.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, the only thing I'll add john is just if if this is your first time joining us. We did this every Thursday and it's free, every time. So, um,

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John English: Yeah, the price.

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John English: The Price is Right.

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John English: Exactly, yeah.

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Bill Koeb: All right. So yeah, let me just get the reference up

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Bill Koeb: And then I'll, I'll start. So

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John English: And I'm going to be doing the timing, we're going to be doing for as always we do for poses there 20 minute poses. Sometimes we take an extra minute or two. We need it if we want to. So

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John English: Bill, you're up.

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Bill Koeb: Well, so I'm drawing the young man, the discus thrower who's

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John English: The vertical

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Bill Koeb: Discuss. Yeah. And he sort of behind the sort of next to a netting that's casting some really cool shadows on his arms and his head so

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Bill Koeb: And

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Bill Koeb: I'm just drawing on

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Bill Koeb: This Stonehenge white paper that I've been using

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Bill Koeb: I think it's primarily printmaking paper but I started making peds so

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Don Kilpatrick: So, Bill, I have a question for you. Is there a reason why you prefer using printmaking papers.

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Bill Koeb: I like the surface of the paper and it takes

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Bill Koeb: It takes a lot of abuse.

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Bill Koeb: Media. I just happened to

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Bill Koeb: Pick this up a

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Bill Koeb: You know one of those art shows where they have lots of materials you know we're all the vendors are there.

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Bill Koeb: Mm hmm. And this is the same company that makes you PO, which is like a plastic that you can draw on and

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Bill Koeb: I like it because it takes all kinds of things like this is

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Bill Koeb: Water Cooler watercolor and justo an ink.

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Don Kilpatrick: Mm hmm.

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Bill Koeb: You know, and it seems to take a beating. Plus, if I want to do prints. I've got that option as well.

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Don Kilpatrick: It's a real versatile mixed media paper.

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Bill Koeb: It is, it's, it's kind of like a Bristol board, in a way, but it doesn't have the same tooth is the villain. It's not as smooth as the

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Don Kilpatrick: Great. I think it's Legion paper that makes that it is an under

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Bill Koeb: Yes, you can pay for that many said, Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: We make a whole bunch of different colors and kinds and

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Bill Koeb: They make you PO and

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Bill Koeb: Annex and

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Bill Koeb: Yeah I don't I don't suppose they're going to have the

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Bill Koeb: Art Fair thing this year because

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Bill Koeb: lockdown but

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Bill Koeb: They're you know they're good events because you can talk to people to make the materials that you like and

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Bill Koeb: You know, kind of get to know more about their products which is which is cool.

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Bill Koeb: Great deals

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Tim Trabon: I'm gonna save anybody's wondering why we're not so loud and chatty right out the gate. It's because trying to learn. We're trying to learn from what people have asked

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Tim Trabon: Which is

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Tim Trabon: Not talking over each other so

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Tim Trabon: You asked me, we're listening.

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Don Kilpatrick: I just everybody

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John English: Say that was

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John English: Yeah, as I talk over the top. Have you done this.

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John English: Is raised not here. So,

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Don Kilpatrick: We helps a lot.

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Tim Trabon: Now, thank you everybody who responded, we sent out a survey, because

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Tim Trabon: We wanted. I guess to be filled with existential dread.

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Don Kilpatrick: From all of your response. It's

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Tim Trabon: No, no thanks, everybody, efficient, thanks for sending it out and a few people said there were a don't worry about illustration isolation is not going anywhere. So we're going to keep doing this.

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Tim Trabon: It's helpful. Thank you.

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John English: Very helpful. Thank you all.

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Don Kilpatrick: So, Bill, I'm just curious when you're using this paper for printmaking. Is there a step by or is there. Do you print on it first or do you or does that matter the order of printing versus painting or

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Don Kilpatrick: When you're doing

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Bill Koeb: Where do I start

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Don Kilpatrick: So if you're doing something mixed media say you're you're painting something and then you

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Don Kilpatrick: Do you usually start by painting something and then run that through the press and do the printmaking element or Oh do you make sure to print on it. First, I mean just sort of step by step thing that you

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Bill Koeb: Follow. Yeah. Like if I'm, if I'm doing if I'm doing printmaking then typically that that printmaking will be

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Bill Koeb: You know, doing a monetized which is painting on a

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Bill Koeb: Flood answer.

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Bill Koeb: Pulling a single print

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Bill Koeb: But, and then if I paint on that. Then I'll then I'll paint on it after that.

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Don Kilpatrick: Okay, cool.

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Bill Koeb: But

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Bill Koeb: I haven't really painted on things and then run them to my press. I mean, the closest thing I did to that was when I was doing some image transfers a few years ago.

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Don Kilpatrick: And I

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Bill Koeb: Use my press to really

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Bill Koeb: Make sure that the things were glued down

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Bill Koeb: That I was transferring

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Bill Koeb: But yeah, typically, I mean a funding.

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Bill Koeb: By printmaking on on some and I'll do the printmaking part first.

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Montalvo Machado: What kind of press you got bill.

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Bill Koeb: I have a

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Bill Koeb: two foot by four foot bed on an Elton.

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Bill Koeb: Press, Fred, it's a it's an interesting press that I've had for about 20 years

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Montalvo Machado: It's a big one like a table size one.

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Montalvo Machado: That's a, that's a cool one.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, it was, um,

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Bill Koeb: It was a gift to myself when I was making a lot of money doing illustration

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Montalvo Machado: Oh, good times. I never been there.

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Bill Koeb: Is the good times. Yeah.

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah, I got I got into a decision too late.

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Montalvo Machado: I have the time to make a lot of money out of it.

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Bill Koeb: It was only a short period of time. So,

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah, maybe half an hour. Is it

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, it was a few hours.

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Montalvo Machado: Maybe, maybe I just lost his half an hour golden years of illustration here in Brazil was just, you know, it was, it happened actually happened like the late 70s, early 80s, maybe

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Montalvo Machado: But actually I got into the business in late 80s, early 90s. So there was not a chance for me to, you know, make some real money out of illustration

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Montalvo Machado: I could survive.

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Montalvo Machado: I could manage to pay my bills, but that was all.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, I mean, that's about when I got into doing things but I spent, you know, I spent the first few years drawing comic books and

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Bill Koeb: And then really started doing more illustration in the mid 90s, but

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Bill Koeb: I mean, it was really just one advertising job that I did that.

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Bill Koeb: did really, really well and

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Bill Koeb: You know, it was just kind of a fluke.

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Bill Koeb: Good fluke, but it was a fluke, you know, in a way.

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Montalvo Machado: Been out of advertising for quite a while now and then working Warren to motion design and illustration for animation in storyboards and videos and all this kind of

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Montalvo Machado: Video producers than anything else.

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Montalvo Machado: It's a good market. So actually, you know, it's

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Montalvo Machado: Up you know well in terms, not as mentors advertising would

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Montalvo Machado: weigh much better than editorial market.

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Bill Koeb: Oh, that's good. I would love to do stuff like that. I like doing things for emotion and

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Montalvo Machado: I'd see that motion in games are, you know, growing markets this day they're really, you know, hiring a lot of people making, making money go from one place to another, you know,

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Bill Koeb: That's cool. I mean, I just haven't been able to crack that

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Bill Koeb: That market, you know, and it might be, you know, the work in my portfolio. It could be

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Bill Koeb: Experience working in games.

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah. Actually, there are some some things that we we do that.

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Montalvo Machado: Like

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Montalvo Machado: landscape design or interiors and you know concepts and things like this, which are mostly illustrations

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Montalvo Machado: Us to a different market. Right.

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah because animation itself. It's such a different world. It's a different language. I've been. I've been studying 3D and Maya and all this kind of things and zebras.

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Montalvo Machado: But they are so out there. There's so much to learn. You know, and, and the curve is so long and

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Montalvo Machado: Absolutely, yeah, I would have to forget everything that I know and jump into it, just like fresh start.

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Montalvo Machado: Not exactly what I'm thinking of doing at this age.

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Montalvo Machado: So I try to get you know in between worlds. So offering illustration for this kind of market and it's it's happening, you know,

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Montalvo Machado: Even for games that I'm not a gamer or player or whatever hard one. But they need what I do and you know and try to get useful for them.

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Bill Koeb: Well, that's cool. Yeah, I mean, I, I've talked to some of the game companies here.

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Bill Koeb: In North Carolina and

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Bill Koeb: You know, I've, I've submitted work for concept work and for other types of work and I know a little bit you know I know my a little bit and I know

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Bill Koeb: Studio Max, a little bit.

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Montalvo Machado: Mm hmm.

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Bill Koeb: I have no zebra experience, but I've seen a lot of things in it that I like.

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Montalvo Machado: The zebra is a funny thing because

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Montalvo Machado: It's, it's so wide that you you can really jump into it and spend like one year learning things and you, you won't get a hold of everything.

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Montalvo Machado: But if you just want to model a couple of things. And, you know, get started, just like play or doing something with your hands. I think, you know, zebra is very friendly.

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Montalvo Machado: If you don't you don't act you know to live out of it because there are some people that just, you know, see brochures hardcore zebra without say

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah. If you don't, if you don't really need that. But sometimes you want to, you know, just sculpting model and get a lighting on it. Just have a nice reference instead of looking for something

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Montalvo Machado: I still can get done in a couple hours.

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Bill Koeb: Oh that's cool us

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Montalvo Machado: So if you if you know the basics. You can go really far. You know, just using basic tools and basic lighting.

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Bill Koeb: That's called

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Bill Koeb: Is it a. Is it a PC. Programmers that work on a Mac as well.

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Montalvo Machado: Oh, they work in both. Okay, I think I'm not really sure. But I think the licenses, you know, working for for both platforms, it didn't, didn't really work that way. A few years ago, you have to choose to buy a Mac license or a Windows license, but I think now it works on both. Both, both stations.

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Montalvo Machado: With one license for

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Bill Koeb: MY FRIEND, JOHN van fleet is a lot of stuff into Russian

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Bill Koeb: Does. Well, it isn't does a lot of cool 3D things to

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John English: Sounds very good

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Bill Koeb: Jon Jon's works. Amazing. His he makes the coolest

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Bill Koeb: 3D things. I mean,

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Bill Koeb: He was already a great Illustrator and comic book artist and designer.

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Bill Koeb: He sells his stuff on desk 3D for

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Montalvo Machado: All right.

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: As the ant farm.

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Montalvo Machado: Mm hmm.

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Montalvo Machado: It's like an image bank for 3D stuff right

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Bill Koeb: What's that

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Montalvo Machado: It's just like a image bank for 3D stuff right

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah, it's, it's a good market to be working on because people need some, you know, specific stuff and maybe just, you know, throw it out there and you know you can sell it a dozen times 100 times depending on what you're doing.

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Tim Trabon: I love how they opened opened up the possibilities with the spider verse. I'm not sure if you saw that bill.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, that the film. Yeah. Oh god, that was that was that was

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Bill Koeb: That's like the best spider man movie.

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Tim Trabon: You guys are talking about DC sorry somebody like you're talking about Marvel. I know it's Marvel

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Bill Koeb: It was like, you know, the old 3D books that you would get. Yep. You know, we were the red green glasses.

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Montalvo Machado: The idea is just, you know, just like missing the register as we used to see on coming books when they were misprint it you know yellow was outside the red and all this kind of things that used to be a mistake. They just, you know, decided this would be a

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John English: Well, Bill. We've our timer went off about a minute ago. If you want a minute or two, you're welcome to it.

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Bill Koeb: I lost my

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Tim Trabon: That was great.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, we'll take a rocket in the room.

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John English: They're not walk into my room right now, but you can bounce around the room.

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John English: You heard right.

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Tim Trabon: Looks great.

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Bill Koeb: That's what I've got.

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Don Kilpatrick: You turned off my video.

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Tim Trabon: Always been off since I did that.

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Don Kilpatrick: Go ghosted everybody

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, this is great. Cool. Who's up next to bat.

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C. F. Payne: I'll have to work on that first drawing some more getting caught up in all those shadows of the net and the net and everything. It's, yeah.

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C. F. Payne: At a time. That's a time eater.

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Tim Trabon: Those of you joining us for first time I please, uh, please post your work, just you can post on Instagram or Facebook. There we go. Leap

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C. F. Payne: That's the post.

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Tim Trabon: Titled leap. It's on the website.

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John English: If you don't know people that are drawing with us tonight and I'm, I'm sure most of you do know who Chris Payne has

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John English: CF pain. Chris is

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John English: One of the most successful traders is worked in the second in the last 15 years. I will say,

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John English: He's won every accolade you could possibly imagine. Hamilton King winner from society of illustrators elected to the Hall of Fame with the society of illustrators.

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John English: I actually have a hard time drawing when Christmas drawing because I always want to watch him so

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Tim Trabon: Well, and Chris. I'm assuming you're going to have a lot fewer excuses to skip out on this now that baseball's over

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C. F. Payne: What I want to say you guys were talking about, you know, debates, all that I was going to, hey, are you kidding, it's the baseball. It's over.

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John English: I watched it.

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C. F. Payne: I didn't watch the end of it because I wasn't gonna watch this damn Dodger celebrate

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Tim Trabon: Chris, if it's any consolation. It seems like very likely the whole Dodgers team got Kovac.

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Tim Trabon: Couldn't find off the field.

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C. F. Payne: All right side.

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John English: Chris, I'm going to give. I know we we

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John English: And that was George Brett's comment about about Bo Jackson and George said, you know, you'd be in the dugout.

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John English: And it didn't matter who was up to bat you would always, you know, you'd have to run and get a drink or you would leave the dugout wouldn't be paying attention.

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John English: He said, but when Bo Jackson came to bat everybody watched you were totally fixated on what he possibly might do. And that's kind of, I feel like watching you draw Chris, I feel like I have to, I have to pause and just watch you draw because I don't know what's gonna

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C. F. Payne: I appreciate that. Well, you know that that is that what you're describing is what I think makes baseball such a great game.

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C. F. Payne: You know, you have the confrontation between a pitcher and the batter. But then when that ball is putting the client, all kinds of things happen and it's just every time it's something a little different. You see strange things

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John English: Well, good analogy, then because I watch it happen in your, your facilitation makes it easier easy for us to see that because you get there so quick.

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C. F. Payne: Well, it's in, you know, it's what are we talking about we've been always talking about here. I mean, if you're seeing what I'm doing. All I'm trying to do is focus on shapes.

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Montalvo Machado: Yeah, you do. It's just so fun to watch you draw john is absolutely right. It's just, it's a show by itself.

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John English: I think my title is doing what I'm doing. We're watching Chris

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Montalvo Machado: You won't get there. Nobody does.

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Bill Koeb: And that's basically what I'm doing right now is watching Chris Rock.

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Don Kilpatrick: I'm so far behind on this one.

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Bill Koeb: Chris that piece that you posted today.

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C. F. Payne: Where's a good shot this party Fuchs would say it was in the shop.

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C. F. Payne: I mean, it's just

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Bill Koeb: That NO, IT'S A GOOD. IT'S A GREAT PIECE. I mean, it's

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C. F. Payne: It was like, you know, Karloff is just such a wonderful character and I've been watching a bunch of his movies recently.

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C. F. Payne: Some of his movies that in today's world, but never have a chance of being made.

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C. F. Payne: But

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C. F. Payne: They're fun movies.

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C. F. Payne: You have the entertaining.

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John English: My, my Saturday.

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John English: Most of my Saturday mornings as a child and at eight o'clock in the evening was creature features.

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Bill Koeb: Oh, yeah.

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John English: Oh, I could I could I could never miss creature features. I loved it. Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: For us creature features was on a night like at 11 o'clock.

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C. F. Payne: We had a character in Cincinnati, called the cool Google

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John English: Yep.

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Yes, break

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C. F. Payne: That's where I got to learn. It's not just of course you have the classic universal studio films, you know, I mean, I love look go see as Dracula.

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C. F. Payne: And and what have you.

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C. F. Payne: But that's where I first got to see cabinet Dr category which

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C. F. Payne: Is just a great, great. If you guys aren't familiar with it. It's an old German expressionist movie but and it's just fantastic.

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Tim Trabon: I really need to rewatch Ed Wood, you're seeing that Chris

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C. F. Payne: What's that

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Tim Trabon: Have you seen Edward

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C. F. Payne: With Johnny Depp course.

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Don Kilpatrick: Great.

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John English: Well,

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John English: We were

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John English: When I say we, it was

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John English: I used to watch them with

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John English: Bob and Nelson Troy and Toby hand out and

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John English: We were doing great with them. We loved him until we saw haunting of Hill house.

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John English: And the original version of it. And that was the first time I was ever like physically scared.

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John English: Of the scripting.

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Tim Trabon: JOHN I think everybody over the age of 50 they always tell me scariest movie, they've ever seen

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Tim Trabon: Like it's horrifying.

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John English: They, they kept it settle

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, I like that they play with shadows and stuff.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah yeah

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C. F. Payne: Now, well, I always I mean Dracula. I loved it. And when I was really young, scared the crap out of me. But the other one that scared the crap out of me when I was really young, was the original mummy.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, no, that's a good

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Bill Koeb: If

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C. F. Payne: You know, you know, it's not got some monster that comes crawling out. It's more psychological or, you know, magical. It's more like magic, as he's reaching into the hot, you know, to strangle the guy. It just, you know, you're just it's just so different, but it's just

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John English: Man, we said it was different.

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John English: Than the other the other house.

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C. F. Payne: And of course, Karloff. What do you say, I mean, great.

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Tim Trabon: I saw the exorcist when I was like 13 and I think I

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Tim Trabon: I have lifelong trauma.

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Bill Koeb: Why

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Tim Trabon: Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: Yes. Yeah, it was bad, and

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Bill Koeb: You know,

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Tim Trabon: You know, it was a sleep over event where I was like at someone's house who

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Tim Trabon: Clearly, clearly the parents were pretty

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Tim Trabon: Pretty like not there.

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Tim Trabon: And

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Tim Trabon: You say you couple a 13 year old team. The Exorcist, and then going to a really Catholic school

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Tim Trabon: The already figures in your life, you know, I went to Catholic school when there were still nuns are running the show. So you go to school and you're like, I'm scared because I saw a scary movie Nyquil you should be because it's very real.

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Tim Trabon: Like Wait what

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Tim Trabon: Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: I mean, that's enough to throw you into therapy for years.

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Tim Trabon: Very much, Bill, pretty much.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, that I saw part of the exorcist when I was about the same age and

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Bill Koeb: I couldn't watch the whole thing. I mean it was just

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Bill Koeb: It was just disturbing.

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Tim Trabon: See, I was just old enough to have that enough toxic masculinity to be like, I can't, I can't act afraid in front of my guy.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, I'm sure we all felt the same way. So we just, you just like white knuckle their way through this horrible movie.

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Montalvo Machado: You guys had something to prove to yourself.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, apparently.

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Bill Koeb: I was alone to me when I saw it.

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Oh,

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Bill Koeb: Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: I couldn't have done that.

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Tim Trabon: I would have got something

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John English: That's your own mistake bill.

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Bill Koeb: To like really scary books to like things that all had to do with possession and Satanism and stuff like that.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, like what you know it's a really scary, scary stories to tell them the dark. Is that what it's called.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah yeah

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Bill Koeb: What's that

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Tim Trabon: Don. You know what I'm talking about.

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Don Kilpatrick: Is that what I think. So it's a it's um it's good that crazy illustration on the free

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Tim Trabon: Illustrations in a

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Tim Trabon: While like I still think about how scary. They were

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Yes.

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Tim Trabon: I think it's called scary stories to tell in the dark.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, yeah. I had that book. Yeah, it's pretty yeah stirs it up.

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Yeah.

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John English: Yeah, the first drive in movie that went to was one of my friends could drive when we were 16 was went to see last house on the left.

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John English: Halloween.

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Bill Koeb: Oh my god.

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John English: That was it. Those are the first light slasher movies. I saw, I was just like, Oh, man.

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John English: I've never, I've never been comfortable with that type of movie. Anyway, so

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John English: I want to say hi to Terry Brown, Terry.

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Don Kilpatrick: Terry

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Tim Trabon: Sister

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Tim Trabon: Sister very rest.

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Tim Trabon: Now it's just one comment. Yeah, I'm done.

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Tim Trabon: reading that book I Jenna commented, Stephen. I'm assuming she spelled it the way it sounds Stephen gamble to do

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Don Kilpatrick: Yes, right. Yes, I believe. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, it was the shining. You know, when bills talking about watching a movie by himself. I made the mistake when I was young, to watch the shining alone.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah, that was

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John English: That was

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, oh man.

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C. F. Payne: You don't even want a boy toast. When you watch that movie.

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Tim Trabon: Done. So when Christopher the model was quarantined with

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Tim Trabon: Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: We are here for such a I mean it was pretty isolating and we

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Tim Trabon: He has a he has a

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Tim Trabon: Like a ritual every morning he wakes up and he writes poetry for like two hours, and he has a typewriter that he does it.

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Don Kilpatrick: Really great but

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Tim Trabon: He had a room of the house that was just dedicated to his poetry writing and

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Tim Trabon: We were, we were getting to it was like the stage of quarantine, where I think everybody was drinking a little bit more than they usually

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Tim Trabon: Do you know we're always kind of waking up groggy and stuff and

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Tim Trabon: And we started to shoot with our phone just like font, like I got our like I ended up getting lights out and stuff. And we started doing shot for shot scenes from the show me.

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Tim Trabon: Just staging of one was one of the ones that we did with him at the way walks up to the bar, you know, in the bar.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, oh man.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah he does the big scene where I'm trying to remember always I'll try and pull it out because we just sell board. We're like, I bet we can reshoot some of that.

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John English: We have a question from one of our students. Addison and

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John English: I want to direct this it Chris because I think this is perfect form. Do you guys think that horror movies now still hit the same way older. Same way, way older films do or do you think or involved evolved along with society.

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Don Kilpatrick: Hmm.

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Montalvo Machado: That's the one.

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C. F. Payne: Sorry, I'm an antique I should answer that question.

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John English: Okay, bill.

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Tim Trabon: Depends on who you're asking that.

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Question.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, I think.

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Bill Koeb: I think horror movies. Now, they really try to, I mean they put the scary stuff in front of any kind of story.

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Bill Koeb: I think story is sort of an

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Bill Koeb: afterthought. It's like how scary, can we make this girl crawling out of the TV.

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Bill Koeb: Upside down and backwards or whatever and

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C. F. Payne: I've just simply say, I wish they would allow you to use more of your imagination.

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Bill Koeb: Absolutely, yeah.

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C. F. Payne: Well, I'm

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C. F. Payne: And I'm done.

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Don Kilpatrick: Okay. Well, I mean, that just like for me as a child, watching Poltergeist

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, the most terrifying scene is that in that is when the old woman is talking about.

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Don Kilpatrick: Where the kids went and they don't show a single thing it could be it's it's as old as time, you know, people getting around a campfire and sharing a story and using your imagination. I think that's why that scene is so effective and poltergeists to you all. Originally Spielberg.

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Bill Koeb: What i think that's that's the thing you know and like, now it's you. You see everything, one of the scariest movies. I saw or fun movie to saw was, was 13 Cloverfield Lane.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah, you never see you barely see anything in that it's your

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Bill Koeb: Completely your imagination and you don't know if he's just insane or yeah if it's real or or what it is, but I can't, like, I can't watch movies like it and

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Bill Koeb: Those are just that they're just too much.

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Bill Koeb: There too scary. Yeah, it's, it's just, you know, but things that scared me when I was a kid like

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Bill Koeb: Did you guys ever heard to hear the movie called Magic with Anthony Hopkins.

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Bill Koeb: Huh. It's about a ventral evil ventriloquist dummy.

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Bill Koeb: There was a movie called the other

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C. F. Payne: That, oh gosh

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C. F. Payne: I was on that was just Tom trying

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Bill Koeb: And that that movie. It's like the, you know, if the kid seen his double or

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Bill Koeb: God knows

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Bill Koeb: I would ride my bike home at night from my friend's house like if I saw my reflection in a car window, it would scare the crap out of

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Bill Koeb: That movie.

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C. F. Payne: Oh yeah, that, that, that whole thing with the apple cider and the

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, I mean just or my sister, read books like Audrey rose, which was about possession. And I don't know if you ever saw the movie. It's alive.

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Bill Koeb: Which I never saw but it was I saw the commercials for it and create the you know the Jesus out of me.

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Bill Koeb: Because it's like this babies. It's like this this stroller.

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Bill Koeb: And it and it kind of hands up to the stroller. And at the very end.

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Bill Koeb: You see this like little Claude hand or something like that.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah okay seen it follows

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, that was

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Tim Trabon: Oh, cuz I yeah I gotta say I think it's, it's like a lot of media it's like it's it's for the time so

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Tim Trabon: You know, you tend to

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Tim Trabon: It tends to speak to you more if you're, you know,

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Tim Trabon: No offense, guys. But part of that time.

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Tim Trabon: No I but it, they kind of age differently because I got to imagine that like

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Tim Trabon: The, the volume, because I think horror films have always been like a cash cow like make them as cheap as possible and as many as possible. And so there's always been kind of like a like a drudge of just like you know quantity over quality.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, every once in a while you get these like outstanding like I think if it falls is like that. That was when you guys talk about great like like that feeling of dread or terror that is an older films like I i felt like that really did that. Well, I don't know.

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, I agree. I agree to me.

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Dale Stephanos: Did you see mid summer.

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Tim Trabon: Oh, yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, I heard. Oh.

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Tim Trabon: Man, I couldn't do it.

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Or

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Dale Stephanos: Same director did a hereditary. I think

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Don Kilpatrick: Deal that that just that that stills just as

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Don Kilpatrick: The worst oh my

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Dale Stephanos: Gosh, I was something

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Don Kilpatrick: Ah, well I miss me. I never want to go to Norway in my life.

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Dale Stephanos: I know

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Don Kilpatrick: I don't care. I'm sorry, I don't want

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Don Kilpatrick: To Norway. I'm not going to

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Don Kilpatrick: Carry

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, I'm not dance around the Maypole I'm not doing any of that stuff.

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Dale Stephanos: Not going to take the job.

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No.

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Don Kilpatrick: I'm stayed away from the those lands.

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Yeah.

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Dale Stephanos: It was really beautiful too, THOUGH, WASN'T IT

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah, it was. I mean, it was really gorgeously shot and just wow, but it's pretty messed up.

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah yeah

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, I think the nature of

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Dale Stephanos: What scares society has changed a lot, you know,

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Dale Stephanos: You know, we don't we don't

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Dale Stephanos: I don't know the monster movies are silly now.

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Dale Stephanos: You know what I mean.

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Don Kilpatrick: Like, that's not scary anymore. It's

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Dale Stephanos: It's fun, but it's you know it's not scary. Whereas I think when they first came out, it had never, never been seen before. So it was probably much more frightening than it is.

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C. F. Payne: Now the technology is. So, I mean, you try to sell somebody a young person, you know, the original King Kong and they look at you.

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Bill Koeb: Know,

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C. F. Payne: Look at you weird because, but I mean, can you imagine you know that being the first film you'd seen of that nature. I mean,

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C. F. Payne: Yeah, it just was so different for its time, and it was so far ahead of its time and it just totally freaked people out when they first saw it.

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C. F. Payne: I mean, nowadays, again, like I said, you showed the young people, they go, Wow, wow, it's a puppet. Okay, I get it. Okay, well cares but you know I can't help but look at it in the context, which was made, and it just marbles me. Oh.

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Dale Stephanos: I totally agree. Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: Chris, there's a really good documentary by Peter Jackson.

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C. F. Payne: I

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Tim Trabon: Have you seen that

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C. F. Payne: On making a King Kong.

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Tim Trabon: Yes, not not making his remake.

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The

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C. F. Payne: Original. Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: I was not aware that that film had like broke down more technical had more technical breakthroughs really than any other film up to that point.

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C. F. Payne: It was incredible. Yeah, what they did and that felt

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Tim Trabon: The way they layered the scenes.

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Tim Trabon: Because, you know, each scene was kind of a

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Tim Trabon: A you know to layer scene, they would have like 15 tables of

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Tim Trabon: Of their claim nation kind of scene right they would have those. So, it added this depth that like nobody had seen before and felt this really highly recommend people watching now let's

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C. F. Payne: See if I can do storyboarding of it all the work done in it is just get some incredible artists are working on that bill, all the way through.

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Dale Stephanos: To sort of go on a tangent. Has anybody seen one forward some King Kong King Kong painting city did

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Bill Koeb: Know, who's

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Don Kilpatrick: Awesome. A lot of his other work but not that, in particular.

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, he did this. This series of huge King Kong faces. And I guess the conceit was

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Dale Stephanos: He, he's really bummed out that his girl his girlfriend left and

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You know,

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Bill Koeb: What

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Dale Stephanos: Walton forward.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, it's he's kind of like I'll kind of describe this work, like how to bond on acid.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah.

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah.

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You know,

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Dale Stephanos: I love it, I think.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, don't be too. It's so it's so technically it's amazing what he's doing. It's such a large scale and watercolor. It's

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It's pretty amazing.

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C. F. Payne: I've not seen that, but I've seen that work for, and it is a stuff.

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C. F. Payne: Especially watercolor

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah, just get that kind of control, it's like, wow.

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Dale Stephanos: He works really big to

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Don Kilpatrick: Not I'm

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Dale Stephanos: A lot of them.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, it's pretty amazing stuff.

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Dale Stephanos: I ruined our fun

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Bill Koeb: Okay.

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Dale Stephanos: All right.

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Don Kilpatrick: Well, here, so

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John English: First, the, the alarm went off.

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C. F. Payne: Oh, I'm sorry.

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John English: Okay, you can you can have another minute or so if you need it.

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Thank God.

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Bill Koeb: No, just speak, going back to Peter Jackson for a minute. Have you guys ever seen heavenly creatures.

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Bill Koeb: That is a creepy movie. It's a great movie. It's

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Bill Koeb: It's got

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Bill Koeb: Kate Winslet in it and

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Bill Koeb: Only lynskey

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Bill Koeb: It's a, it's basically about these 214 year old girls and their friendship.

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Bill Koeb: And

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Bill Koeb: The horrible things they do.

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Dale Stephanos: To get to see that.

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Bill Koeb: It's a good. It's a creepy movie, but it's really good.

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John English: Okay, I'm going to take everything back the absolute scariest movie I've ever seen is the movie 13 when my daughter was 13 years old.

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Bill Koeb: Are you saying that your daughter was the scariest thing that

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John English: No, I'm saying oh movie was I was

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John English: You know, just just awareness of what was going on in the world at that time, I was like, oh, my lord.

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, you know,

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John English: I have to think about this.

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C. F. Payne: Well, what was that movie that had Jeremy Irons, where he plays the twin gynecologists it's a

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Bill Koeb: Chrome. Oh.

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John English: Oh, yeah.

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C. F. Payne: That that one again. See, that's not a car, you know, it's not like, but it is just a creepy, creepy thing.

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Bill Koeb: Oh, let's Cronenberg

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C. F. Payne: Yeah, it's total creep.

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Bill Koeb: Cronenberg did some great movies to like

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C. F. Payne: Oh, yeah.

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Bill Koeb: Oh ma and

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Dale Stephanos: The fly.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, oh yeah.

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Bill Koeb: That's right, yeah.

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Bill Koeb: So Naked Lunch.

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C. F. Payne: So anyway, we're done.

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Dale Stephanos: Oh, wow.

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Don Kilpatrick: Nice. Great.

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Dale Stephanos: Job of that that that right hand. That was a funky.

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C. F. Payne: You just have to guess at the thumb.

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Yeah.

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C. F. Payne: You just gotta guess at the thumb. Yeah.

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Dale Stephanos: Really nice.

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Bill Koeb: I like the way you push your feet like her her foot like so far forward and that other one is just

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Bill Koeb: Way legging back

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, there's some, there's some, there's some Chuck Jones peeking out there.

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C. F. Payne: Yeah, little Chuck Jones. Little Rock. Well, little, little more Drucker

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, somebody said, Terry Brown says very jack Davis.

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C. F. Payne: There you go. Ali.

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Who's

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Bill Koeb: The feet.

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C. F. Payne: The feet would have to be bigger.

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Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, I think, I think jack Davis has some of the best Frankenstein drawings

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C. F. Payne: Oh totally, totally

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Bill Koeb: Oh my god, so good.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah, those

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C. F. Payne: Like I said later on I'm going to come back to this one and work on him more and see how far I can get and then post something, see if I can get a more complete the work on this.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, I want to do another one. I just did face, but I want to do another

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C. F. Payne: Yeah.

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John English: Chris, if you could work on those a little bit before you

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C. F. Payne: Guys were talking about

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh my god.

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Tim Trabon: You gorgeous.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, yes. Beautiful.

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John English: Again, this

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C. F. Payne: Is

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C. F. Payne: Fun.

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C. F. Payne: I love

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C. F. Payne: This stuff guys thank you so much.

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John English: Now Chris has got to get somewhere. So hey, thank you very much.

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John English: For joining

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Don Kilpatrick: Us. Thanks. Yeah, it's great to see this.

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Dale Stephanos: I Chris

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C. F. Payne: Guys, take care. Okay.

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Don Kilpatrick: All right. You too.

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John English: You say,

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You bet.

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John English: I Christ. Good, good.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: That's looking good john

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John English: What

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Bill Koeb: That drawing

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John English: Oh, I'm, I'm trying to get a head start on this one I did the I started drawing this about halfway through what Chris was doing. Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: Equals Dave Johnson.

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Montalvo Machado: What distracted you john

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John English: Pardon me.

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Montalvo Machado: What distracted you john

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John English: Nothing.

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Montalvo Machado: Nothing out of focus.

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Montalvo Machado: We were all

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John English: So,

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John English: Dot Europe.

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Okay.

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Don Kilpatrick: Hey Timmy. You gotta, you gotta give me that video back

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Tim Trabon: Oh yeah. Did I have you not been able to use it.

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Don Kilpatrick: Now,

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Tim Trabon: I took it away.

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Don Kilpatrick: Now, man. Just, you know, you're listening to Ray So

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Don Kilpatrick: Ray's Ray's Ray's

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Don Kilpatrick: Totally. Gotcha. Got to you before I did.

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Tim Trabon: It says, you know, gone without seeing the video.

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Bill Koeb: Your voices reminded me of Ray Romano

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Bill Koeb: Hey,

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Don Kilpatrick: Thanks, everybody.

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Tim Trabon: TONIGHT WITH US. WE HAVE VERY SPECIAL GUEST. We have Ray Romano

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Don Kilpatrick: Hello everybody.

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Bill Koeb: I don't mean that any bad way. He's got a nice voice so

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Don Kilpatrick: Well, thanks man.

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Bill Koeb: You got a good voice.

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Don Kilpatrick: Pretty sure did it.

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Don Kilpatrick: Get a podcasting or

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Tim Trabon: Something my tava to that last one right. I was like, I'm gonna walk around the room that was like nobody

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Tim Trabon: The last one. Oh, you did.

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John English: I knew

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John English: I was watched Chris

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Bill Koeb: Nice I drew the head of the last one.

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Tim Trabon: Let me see it, Bill. When you hold it up if you can. No pressure. Yes.

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Tim Trabon: Here. So I was like,

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Tim Trabon: No.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, I'm here. Hold on one second.

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Tim Trabon: One second. Cuz everybody's I got a I got too many windows, man.

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Tim Trabon: Holding it up. Cool. There we go. Sorry, everybody.

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Tim Trabon: Say,

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The first one

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Tim Trabon: All right.

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Don Kilpatrick: All right, I guess. Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: I'll get started here but

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I want to. So

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Tim Trabon: Cool. Yeah, I'll let you bill will work. We're going to go to Bill CD. I tell Don SCOTUS

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Don Kilpatrick: Sure man here.

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Tim Trabon: Thank you. Going to the wrong video

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Tim Trabon: Back to dogs.

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Don Kilpatrick: Howling classic right

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There.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: Cool, man. I'm gonna get started here. So,

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Don Kilpatrick: I'm I'm painting. I'm using Adobe fresco, and I'm going to be painting the the the discus thrower in mid

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Don Kilpatrick: Like mid action here. So get this started.

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Dale Stephanos: Don't. Are you are you using the same thing. Raise using. Are you just sharing your screen.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, basically, I'm using you know he recommended OBS and within OBS you can get a plugin for your virtual camera so it, it goes directly into your video feed. I'm having a little bit of a delay here but

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Don Kilpatrick: But essentially, yeah. So what it does is it, it goes directly in without having to share your screen as you typically would in a zoom meeting right so

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Don Kilpatrick: It was, it was awesome that he was willing to share that I've, I've

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Don Kilpatrick: This is a great way. I think I've been able to do some real, effective paint overs with some of my students using this method. And you know, it's pretty much free, you know, with OBS being an open source software.

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Dale Stephanos: So it's, what does it in op OBS. What's the yeah

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Don Kilpatrick: OBS stands for open broadcast software.

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, I have like

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Don Kilpatrick: I just

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Dale Stephanos: Can not

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Dale Stephanos: Get it going

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Dale Stephanos: Well, but

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, if, if you want. I, I actually have a former student of mine that graduate is a really amazing tech head and she I paid her to make a series of like really basic, simple How To videos and I'm, you know, I could share those with you if you

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Dale Stephanos: Want. Awesome. I've got appreciate

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, I mean I've, I've yet to I'm using a PC right now I've yet to install it on my

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Don Kilpatrick: On my mac book but

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Don Kilpatrick: I'm going to try to do that this weekend.

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Dale Stephanos: City to plug it into to plug your, your iPad into your

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Don Kilpatrick: Also for the eye for the iPad.

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Don Kilpatrick: There's there's software called lonely screen. And what that does is it recognizes your iPad recognizes it as an Apple TV. And so once you start lonely screen, it will find it and then

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Don Kilpatrick: It pretty much just mirroring what you have on your iPad on to your, your laptop or

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Don Kilpatrick: Your computer and then and then you start OBS through your computer and then you identify that as the window and you know I have a whole thing on that it's it's

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Don Kilpatrick: It when you first get the software because it's open source, there's, it's, you know, it looks pretty like or at least it looked really intimidating to me.

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, it's pretty raw

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Don Kilpatrick: But once you you know once you know a little bit of the jargon and I was lucky to have that this, this person, kind of, you know, walk me through that once you get through that part. It's, it's not as intimidating. As you initially think okay so and you know I got you covered. So just

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Don Kilpatrick: Remind me

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Dale Stephanos: Yeah, Chris.

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Tim Trabon: Was cracking me up because when you were starting to really applaud OBS your screen was like glitch now.

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Tim Trabon: It's like

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Dale Stephanos: Bambi last time.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, right. Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: Kind of a cautionary tale.

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Don Kilpatrick: It's the best thing ever. Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: You can do anything with this program.

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Tim Trabon: Now, that's what we're streaming to YouTube, which I think the YouTube stream.

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Tim Trabon: Now, I think the YouTube stream is

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Tim Trabon: A lot better all four people attending probably

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Tim Trabon: It is, uh, but yeah now OBS is daunting when you look at it, but it's it's it's actually really pretty easy.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, it's, you know, once you understand the very

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Don Kilpatrick: Just like the very basic controls and that

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Don Kilpatrick: It's not bad at all.

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Don Kilpatrick: And I love it. I mean, it's goodness between you between buying lonely screen lonely screen is like a $14 a year subscription for that app. It's a really simple app.

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Don Kilpatrick: And then OBS is free. So, you know, I would have never been able to do this for that, you know, for that little bit of money in the past.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, which is like two years ago.

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Dale Stephanos: It's just amazing. Everything we're able to do you know

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah, well, and you know, and that's one of the things that you know i mean the situation with with the pandemic and stuff is difficult, but this is one of the things that

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Don Kilpatrick: I'm trying to look at as a positive takeaway is it's really forced the issue for me to not shy away from trying to use video editing software or

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Don Kilpatrick: Try to figure this stuff out because you know it's really just a way to communicate. Right. You know, if

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Don Kilpatrick: You're in

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Don Kilpatrick: Like you know we've we've been in you know you all probably have been in a foreign land. You haven't been able to communicate in that language. But you, you know, being just a human being and you want to communicate.

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Don Kilpatrick: You find ways to communicate break through some of the some of that difficulty and that's that's essentially what I kind of liken this to is it's just this is an opportunity for us to break through.

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Don Kilpatrick: What we don't know, and it's not easy but you know it's like it's like running in extremely hot weather, you know it's it's not something that you can do. But, you know, super well but you can do it. And it's not easy, but, but, you know, it gets easier the more

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Bill Koeb: Or you do it. Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: That's what I'm trying to take away from it. I mean, I try to, you know, tell us that easier said than done, right. So, but

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Don Kilpatrick: But yeah but but it's it's really proven to be really useful for me in in teaching digital painting.

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Tim Trabon: As an online school Donna, it's been helpful for us because I want to say that for years we've used zoom. I had like five tickets open with them for like four years.

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Dale Stephanos: Really like

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Tim Trabon: Being like, hey, can you guys fix this. You know, I think I should be able to block our users from like sharing their whole desktop, like a privacy thing.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, and all of a sudden, like, all it takes is like zoom stock to plummet like one day and they're like, yeah, maybe we should make this thing more secure.

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Tim Trabon: So, you know, we went from like zoom telling us like once a year, like, hey, the update is coming, you know, to

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Tim Trabon: You know, I think zoom has an update now like I'm since the pandemic, you know, since they started getting scrutinized, they, they have an update that comes out like it seems like almost once every other week.

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Don Kilpatrick: Cool, yeah, big time.

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Tim Trabon: So that the products are just getting way better as far as a user, my experience user experience is getting better. Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: So my question is, Timmy, do you are you did you get the update that where you can put a mustache on and a bowler hat and stuff like that.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, like

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Tim Trabon: Like this chat like this Snapchat.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah i mean i think i think that's that.

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Tim Trabon: Exists if that exists already done. I got to disable it on our school account.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh my goodness. Come on, Jimmy.

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Tim Trabon: Know for a while, we had the back the background disabled.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, you did.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, just cuz I mean, now it's gotten better. But originally, it was a mess because they're there.

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Tim Trabon: They're streaming just like couldn't handle it well. So like whenever, and he

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Don Kilpatrick: Does

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Tim Trabon: A classroom of like 12 people, it would just glitch out

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Tim Trabon: But now if you attend visual arts passage. If you attend visual arts passage. You can have a silly background.

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Don Kilpatrick: Now, I think, I think it's really vital for Visual Arts passage for you to show up with a bowler hat on to make announcements and study hall.

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Tim Trabon: We do have, like,

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Tim Trabon: We do have like a morning announcement, like in high school.

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Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: You have to have a cat on your shoulder that little

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Don Kilpatrick: Little plugin that has the cat on the shoulder, the tire time we're giving the announcements. Yeah. Well, the

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Tim Trabon: morning announcements.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah yeah

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Tim Trabon: I know

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Tim Trabon: The intercom. I do they still do morning announcements at high schools.

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Don Kilpatrick: High. You know, you think I would know and

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Dale Stephanos: It sounds good, up until a couple of years ago when when my son was in high school.

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Dale Stephanos: So,

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Imagine oh

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Don Kilpatrick: I should know that I should, you know, I feel so bad. I've never stopped to ask my kids that I

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Don Kilpatrick: Think that I would do that. My daughter graduated last year. That's that I never asked her once I am a horrible parents

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, she just started, she started a concept design program and and I keep trying to convince her to come to illustration isolation, she's like, Oh, I'll go and

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, you guys got to help me get her here. So she she's, she's great. She

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Don Kilpatrick: I really

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Don Kilpatrick: Really think that she's got she's got some good work going and I keep wanting her to connect with you all, and I'm going to keep bugging her to do that.

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Bill Koeb: Is she doing things online right now.

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Don Kilpatrick: Um, yeah, you know it's it's kind of half and half. It really is. Depending on the instructor. I mean, she there's many aspects of the program. She's in that started has always been online just because some of the instructors, you know, are on the coasts and

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Don Kilpatrick: But it's kind of a combination. It's the blend it was prior to coven and you know covert obviously now a little bit more. So, not only with with her classes within her major, but also with

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, liberal arts classes and such. You know, one of, one of the things that we did at CCS is we we had our liberal arts classes go

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Don Kilpatrick: Completely remote only so that we could free up studio space for in person learning because there are some departments where, you know, like our glass blowing or

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Don Kilpatrick: Furniture department or, you know, crafts, or ceramics, where you know you can't you can't help some of that stuff. You just can't do remote right so

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Tim Trabon: Well, yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: I mean we luck out. Oh, sorry. What

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Bill Koeb: No. No, go ahead.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, with illustration, you know, obviously. I mean, and I think, you know, I really think, you know, and I really mean this, I think, you know, visual arts passage is the gold standard, as far as you know what you can do.

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Don Kilpatrick: In a remote setting and have it be like absolutely stellar quality. And I think you all do such a great job with this and it's an honor to be able to join you all and do this each week.

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Don Kilpatrick: Just because it's just the quality that you guys bring to the table. It's, it's great to

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Tim Trabon: Australia I see you're done john and I have been in isolation, since like 2014 so

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Don Kilpatrick: You guys have been you guys have been doing this thing, but no one's joined in since

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Tim Trabon: That yeah it

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Tim Trabon: Just took a pandemic.

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Don Kilpatrick: Completely anti social, you know,

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Tim Trabon: No, yeah, um, was it you know one of the things that I early on I had read. I'm trying to, I think it was in New York Times thing about how the the fall 2020 was going to be like if you want it like as far as getting into the College of your dreams.

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Tim Trabon: It was going to be like the best time to apply right because of the just the demand.

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Don Kilpatrick: And

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Tim Trabon: And that the would be one of the most competitive false. I'm just due to demand and we were talking about, if my dad was alive.

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Tim Trabon: Like I wonder how he'd react off this pandemic stuff and it was like, well, if my dad was alive and I was going to college, I would he would be like, you're going to college, this fall.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: That would be the, the angle like

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Don Kilpatrick: Are you getting

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Tim Trabon: How do you get a deal.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah yeah

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Bill Koeb: No, I know. My son is

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Bill Koeb: Struggling with

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Bill Koeb: The online aspect of it right but it has a lot to do with the structure and yeah

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Tim Trabon: Two big pivot. Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: Well, you know, and, and I, I kind of look I liken it to, you know, we kind of look at the unprecedented with a historical lens. You know, for example.

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Don Kilpatrick: When cars first were made. Right. They were literally called horseless carriages and they looked like a carriage without the horses. You know you had headlight designed look like the lanterns on on a carriage from the 19th century.

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Don Kilpatrick: And

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Don Kilpatrick: It kind of makes sense, because that's the lens in which that was people's experience with something unprecedented like an automobile.

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Don Kilpatrick: And I think

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Don Kilpatrick: You know what we're doing right now you. I think what a lot of instructors that are used to teaching in person and be quote unquote the sage on the stage.

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Don Kilpatrick: Right. They're trying to transfer what they did in person into a new medium and some of it sticks. A lot of it doesn't and

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, and that's that's why i think you know when you have something like visual arts passage. You guys, you know, we're doing this before it was cool. So it's, it's like you, you understand what transfers, what doesn't. And and you play to those strengths and I think

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, I think hopefully

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Don Kilpatrick: You know many people will you know understand this and

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Don Kilpatrick: Figure it out. But anyway, I don't

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Bill Koeb: Know, I think that's exactly. I mean, that's exactly it. And he was saying that they're doing.

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Bill Koeb: Their classes which they meet at the instructor talks, but then they have to also watch videos, which is just more

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Bill Koeb: People talking to them.

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Don Kilpatrick: Mm hmm.

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Bill Koeb: And there's not been

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Bill Koeb: The adjustment to how to teach online.

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, I think it's well okay, for example.

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Don Kilpatrick: I, you know, had a student speak with me where their instructor decided to break them into groups to work, work on a project. Yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: And, you know, common sense would say okay well I'm assigning, you, you, you, you know, break it up into groups of five or something. If it's a large class. Yeah. Well, the instructor

924
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Don Kilpatrick: Not understand the technology said, Okay, I want you to go to

925
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Don Kilpatrick: Such and Such spot this discussion board post that you your you want to have somebody join you on your group.

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Don Kilpatrick: And the students go there, they post that nobody thinks to check their it's just not a natural way to use the technology to get a group of people together, so it's it's this, it's this

927
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Don Kilpatrick: Not understanding how to engage with that and use what what you need and jettison the rest. It's kind of like

928
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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, it's like that movie. The Martian where Matt Damon in sorry people if it's a spoiler alert. You know, it's been out for a long time. So you should have seen it already.

929
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Bill Koeb: But you know he's trying to get on Mars.

930
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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, and he's he's got that, you know, he's got that spaceship and it won't work. And so he gets a socket set out and he starts taking off all the stuff

931
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Don Kilpatrick: Off of the rocket ship. Because the most important thing is for him to get upward trajectory, so you can get back to the mothership and get home.

932
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Don Kilpatrick: And, you know, so he just all the stuff that he just lets go of that stuff. I mean, it would have normally been necessary, but the main objective was to get that upward momentum.

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Don Kilpatrick: Right and and i think you know a lot of because we're dealing with something on present precedented and I'm just speaking really for for your typical

934
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Don Kilpatrick: You know college is that I think you know it's really challenging for some to get that socket set out and just let go of that one little thing it's

935
01:20:25.350 --> 01:20:32.280
Don Kilpatrick: It's great that you have that electric toothbrush, you know, washer machine that's part of your spaceship, but you can take your socket set and take that off and

936
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Bill Koeb: You know,

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Don Kilpatrick: Lose that 20 pounds so that you can get where you need to be in getting students where they need to be yeah and and I think that's the that's I think that's something that

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Don Kilpatrick: You know everybody's and, you know, I understand, you know, it's a this. This is really a challenge for a lot of people, but you really want to. You really want authentic tick, you really need people that are instructors that that understand how to authentically engage with you.

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Bill Koeb: Well, that's that I think is the thing too, and I mean I found that I did my first class online for Durham Arts Council on Tuesday, but I've definitely it definitely benefited from me doing this every week for the last seven months and

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Bill Koeb: Being able to, instead of, you know, be breaking things down into smaller chunks.

941
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Don Kilpatrick: Mm hmm.

942
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Bill Koeb: Was a big part of that.

943
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Bill Koeb: You know, because I can stand there and engage with the students for an hour if I'm, if I'm in front of them and there are having a back and forth, but to just hear me talk for an hour.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah, I mean, if there's no way you could do a six hour lecture via zoom, I think. I mean, everybody's going to have the brain scramble is about 20 minutes into that.

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Tim Trabon: Right. I don't know how you guys behaved in

946
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Tim Trabon: College, but

947
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Tim Trabon: If I was a college

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Tim Trabon: I I barely got two classes.

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Tim Trabon: When there was not a global crisis. I am just

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Tim Trabon: Thought I would be a college dropout if if that had happened, you know, in 2009. I mean, it couldn't have done it. I did not have the

951
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Tim Trabon: I don't know. I mean, need to be too rough on myself. But it's like

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Don Kilpatrick: I guarantee you, I wouldn't been able to do it yeah and i i really, you know,

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Tim Trabon: I really tried to

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Don Kilpatrick: do anything I can to help

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Don Kilpatrick: These students because yeah

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Don Kilpatrick: I mean,

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Tim Trabon: My god, I'm just imagining a nightmare scenario where it would be like me before a final and I'd be like, Okay.

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Tim Trabon: I just got to watch 70 hours of class.

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And

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Tim Trabon: Study

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Tim Trabon: And I'll be good.

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Don Kilpatrick: Like oh

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My god.

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Bill Koeb: Yeah.

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Bill Koeb: Just there's a comment from the audience. I don't

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, I wanted to address.

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Bill Koeb: Sure. People have said, and this is true for me to that dawn your screen is really low res

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, it is.

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Bill Koeb: Let me see for, like, yeah, it's very soft focus like it couldn't

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Bill Koeb: Ah, like I can name the file, but it's, you know,

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Tim Trabon: Done. I'll give you some will give you some bonus minutes. If you want to try and fix that and I'll head the Montalvo or who's drawn

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Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, let me see what I can do.

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Tim Trabon: For bill you're drawn

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Bill Koeb: Yeah, here we go.

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Tim Trabon: Done. Take your time.

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Don Kilpatrick: Okay, I'm going to see

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Tim Trabon: Some bonus minutes.

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Don Kilpatrick: I'm going to go some Timmy minutes

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Tim Trabon: 20 minutes heavily

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Tim Trabon: Eminem out for a while. I'm going

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Don Kilpatrick: To eat up I'm going to eat up all embrace so

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Yeah.

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Tim Trabon: Sorry, everybody. Belt. Thanks for seeing that I. Sorry, everybody. I missed. I didn't see that message coming in.

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Tim Trabon: I'm sure we'll hear about it. And the next survey.

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Dale Stephanos: survey conducted

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Tim Trabon: Dale. Dale. Don't be so upset about it.

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John English: Yeah. We try not to buy that part we'll talk

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John English: About that later.

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Tim Trabon: You were mentioned extensively in it now.

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Bill Koeb: We talk

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Tim Trabon: Yeah, we

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Dale Stephanos: Know, you're not gonna cut my pay or you

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Know,

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John English: We pay you.

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Tim Trabon: Yeah. What is zero divided by

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Tim Trabon: Now no no way to say it was a very, very helpful.

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Tim Trabon: Applauding that we got. I would say, everybody's really supportive so

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Tim Trabon: But honestly, like artwork, I would say, we're like, like what you guys do.

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Tim Trabon: I can hear 99 people tell me I did something great.

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Tim Trabon: And if one person says a backhand comment at all.

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Bill Koeb: I will

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Tim Trabon: I will think about it.

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Tim Trabon: I will think about it for a year like really

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01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:12.810
Don Kilpatrick: That's so true.

1005
01:25:13.050 --> 01:25:14.130
John English: I mean, you

1006
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:15.660
Tim Trabon: Yeah. JOHN

1007
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:17.010
Tim Trabon: John you know john

1008
01:25:17.310 --> 01:25:20.100
Tim Trabon: JOHN. JOHN just goes right right by me.

1009
01:25:23.610 --> 01:25:24.600
Tim Trabon: Yeah yeah

1010
01:25:25.260 --> 01:25:26.340
Tim Trabon: You know that man.

1011
01:25:27.120 --> 01:25:30.090
Tim Trabon: Yeah haunts me, you talk about horror films.

1012
01:25:32.730 --> 01:25:36.810
Bill Koeb: You know, somebody asked about starting in comics earlier and

1013
01:25:38.130 --> 01:25:50.760
Bill Koeb: I showed you know three people my portfolio and they were like, this looks great. You should show it to this person should show it to that person. I showed it to the fourth person and they were like, oh, you really need more samples in your portfolio.

1014
01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:54.030
Bill Koeb: And that just flattened me

1015
01:25:55.440 --> 01:25:56.130
Bill Koeb: At the time,

1016
01:25:56.730 --> 01:26:09.000
Don Kilpatrick: I, I remember one of the first times I shared my portfolio I shared it with an agent. I'm not going to name who it is. They told me that they enjoyed the box that it came in more than the work that was

1017
01:26:12.510 --> 01:26:13.950
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, it was brutal

1018
01:26:14.460 --> 01:26:16.380
Don Kilpatrick: I'm not gonna say who that is. But it was

1019
01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:17.760
Don Kilpatrick: Well, and what but

1020
01:26:17.790 --> 01:26:29.310
Don Kilpatrick: You know, it was, it was a tough learning experience. But what what I've done is I, I really didn't listen to one of my mentor suggested, which is just simply shoot your artwork flat and what

1021
01:26:30.120 --> 01:26:38.010
Don Kilpatrick: I had this photographer friend was like, no, I gotta stage. These and he shot them with all these artistic angles. And it was just, I just want my artwork.

1022
01:26:38.070 --> 01:26:53.910
Don Kilpatrick: You know, reproduce, you know, is before we could really, you know, get stuff done with great scanners and everything. And I, I just, I was like, okay, and that was the problem. So it was tough. It was tough taken that you know

1023
01:26:54.510 --> 01:26:56.880
Bill Koeb: Yeah, and it's it's one thing I've told

1024
01:26:58.350 --> 01:27:12.930
Bill Koeb: I've told students a lot is that, you know, art directors and editors and this is one thing, if you're if you're trying to do comics. This is one thing to keep in mind is that art editors are going to give you feedback based on it's still soft focus based on

1025
01:27:15.210 --> 01:27:24.030
Bill Koeb: They're going to give you in, you know, feedback based on what what they need your friend, your instructors or your peers.

1026
01:27:25.530 --> 01:27:29.490
Bill Koeb: Hopefully they're going to try to give you feedback based on what they think your work needs.

1027
01:27:29.850 --> 01:27:45.300
Bill Koeb: You, they don't have that extra so you can't you can't go to, you know, potential client for fee. That's a trip kind of the problem with the whole comics setup. Is it, you know, editors review portfolios and

1028
01:27:45.990 --> 01:27:55.380
Bill Koeb: I mean there's value in that. And that they they tell you what the editors need to see, but that's not always that doesn't always align with what your work needs.

1029
01:27:55.950 --> 01:28:08.190
Tim Trabon: That. And I think that there's like a healthy like let it, let it slide because it's kind of like if you had 100 bucks and somebody steals $10 from you, my go to is like, well, now I have to throw away the remaining

1030
01:28:13.980 --> 01:28:15.630
Tim Trabon: It's zero to 100 you know

1031
01:28:16.020 --> 01:28:22.830
Tim Trabon: No, I think it's a there is like a healthy idea of this like let it slide.

1032
01:28:23.340 --> 01:28:23.730
Yeah.

1033
01:28:25.080 --> 01:28:36.150
Bill Koeb: YEAH, WELL, I MEAN SOMETHING THAT JOHN said a while back a few months ago about giving feedback as he tries to focus on the positive. And I think that's a really

1034
01:28:37.290 --> 01:28:40.410
Bill Koeb: Valuable way to to give feedback, you know,

1035
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:42.180
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, I agree.

1036
01:28:42.900 --> 01:28:49.620
Bill Koeb: Because people already know, people know a lot, a lot of times we already know what's wrong with their work.

1037
01:28:50.430 --> 01:28:51.540
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, that's a good point.

1038
01:28:51.660 --> 01:28:55.290
Bill Koeb: And we can't see. We can't see the good stuff in it.

1039
01:28:58.290 --> 01:29:05.520
Bill Koeb: Showing each other professionals can be really helpful. But there are professionals out there who are incredibly insecure.

1040
01:29:07.260 --> 01:29:08.820
Bill Koeb: And threatened and, you know,

1041
01:29:10.200 --> 01:29:11.190
Bill Koeb: So, yeah.

1042
01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:18.720
Bill Koeb: You just, you just have to be right. You have to really think about feedback based on who's giving it

1043
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:24.270
Bill Koeb: where they're coming from, you know, kind of, does that make sense.

1044
01:29:24.510 --> 01:29:26.580
Bill Koeb: Yeah, it does. Yeah, you know,

1045
01:29:27.480 --> 01:29:28.860
Tim Trabon: Are they having a bad day.

1046
01:29:29.040 --> 01:29:30.570
Bill Koeb: Yeah yeah

1047
01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:31.290
Don Kilpatrick: I mean really.

1048
01:29:31.440 --> 01:29:33.240
Don Kilpatrick: Seriously, though. Yeah.

1049
01:29:33.780 --> 01:29:36.750
Bill Koeb: They looked at 100 people's work before you

1050
01:29:39.510 --> 01:29:48.510
Don Kilpatrick: Hear they're dealing with a difficult, you know, superior editor or someone you know, I mean, there could be a myriad of reasons. And you know, it's

1051
01:29:49.200 --> 01:29:59.160
Don Kilpatrick: It still makes it difficult, it's like you said, Tim, Timmy. You know you. There might be a million compliments, but you just you. It's human nature to remember that one, negative one.

1052
01:29:59.580 --> 01:30:03.030
Tim Trabon: Yeah, and I think that's like anthropologically built into us.

1053
01:30:03.060 --> 01:30:04.050
Don Kilpatrick: Because, absolutely.

1054
01:30:04.080 --> 01:30:13.770
Tim Trabon: Because, like, you know, you know, if I if I eat like like you know like a like 100 like really tasty berries, but I eat one.

1055
01:30:14.160 --> 01:30:14.880
That's poison.

1056
01:30:16.170 --> 01:30:19.320
Tim Trabon: Like, it's really important for me to remember the poisonous one

1057
01:30:19.860 --> 01:30:28.140
Tim Trabon: Right now. Yeah. Like, so I do think it's and that's not like original thought of mine, like I've heard people talk about it. You cling on to the

1058
01:30:29.250 --> 01:30:35.820
Tim Trabon: To the to danger right like to negative negativity. I think could be more of a, it could be stickier.

1059
01:30:36.360 --> 01:30:48.420
Bill Koeb: Yeah, no, it's true. And, and the thing is to, like, especially when you're starting out, you know, there's people that you admire greatly. I mean, always. There's people that you admire and their opinion matters, but

1060
01:30:51.300 --> 01:30:52.200
Bill Koeb: You can't

1061
01:30:53.730 --> 01:30:56.100
Bill Koeb: You also have to take what they say with a grain of salt to

1062
01:30:56.310 --> 01:30:58.380
Bill Koeb: Your cheek Martin because

1063
01:30:59.400 --> 01:31:03.270
Bill Koeb: It's harder when you're younger because you're, you know, you're fragile.

1064
01:31:04.410 --> 01:31:05.010
Don Kilpatrick: Know, yeah.

1065
01:31:05.400 --> 01:31:07.080
Bill Koeb: Or at least I was fragile, but

1066
01:31:07.110 --> 01:31:20.490
Don Kilpatrick: You know I yeah but, but, you know, but I also think, for me, now it's, you know, I think maybe I can you know handle it a bit, a little bit better. Maybe in certain instances, but it's still really difficult I for

1067
01:31:20.610 --> 01:31:22.680
Dale Stephanos: Me. At least I agree.

1068
01:31:23.430 --> 01:31:30.480
Tim Trabon: I learned that if I'm in a certain mood I maybe shouldn't i'd like make a certain phone call.

1069
01:31:31.590 --> 01:31:31.890
Bill Koeb: And

1070
01:31:32.010 --> 01:31:34.470
Tim Trabon: I don't think I learned that. And so I was like

1071
01:31:35.820 --> 01:31:37.290
Tim Trabon: But until, like, a week ago.

1072
01:31:37.770 --> 01:31:38.100
Yes.

1073
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:40.170
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

1074
01:31:41.550 --> 01:31:43.320
Don Kilpatrick: That's like me would feel like.

1075
01:31:43.500 --> 01:31:47.460
Tim Trabon: Angry, you know, so like I I kind of tried to take that into account.

1076
01:31:48.900 --> 01:31:57.540
Tim Trabon: I don't find myself in a situation creatively where I'm presenting my work to people anymore. But when I did I was really sensitive about it because

1077
01:31:58.620 --> 01:32:06.270
Tim Trabon: I mean, really, I think, honestly, anything other than like applause felt like complete failure, which is like a pretty outrageous.

1078
01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.270
Bill Koeb: Right. Oh yeah, and

1079
01:32:11.820 --> 01:32:15.480
Bill Koeb: I mean, especially in what we do. Like you send your work and you don't get a response.

1080
01:32:16.650 --> 01:32:20.280
Bill Koeb: You don't really get a response, unless something's wrong. Yeah.

1081
01:32:21.510 --> 01:32:28.440
Bill Koeb: And, you know, so it's kind of like when you text somebody and you don't ever hear back from them for ever.

1082
01:32:30.060 --> 01:32:30.690
Bill Koeb: And you're like,

1083
01:32:31.140 --> 01:32:31.800
Bill Koeb: What happened.

1084
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:34.680
Bill Koeb: Yeah you text them again.

1085
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:38.670
Montalvo Machado: And so I did.

1086
01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:48.720
Tim Trabon: I do love constructive curious. I don't love it but I mean like I tried to appreciate constructive criticism but don I like the package more than what came in it that's

1087
01:32:48.750 --> 01:32:49.560
Tim Trabon: Not bad.

1088
01:32:49.590 --> 01:32:50.010
Don Kilpatrick: No, it

1089
01:32:50.730 --> 01:32:57.270
Tim Trabon: Other than it was maybe unless he was, he or she was trying to tell you, like, start a packaging company.

1090
01:32:57.990 --> 01:33:11.460
Don Kilpatrick: Well, I gotta tell you it was at a really difficult time I was working as an in house Illustrator. Yeah, for, for it was. It's a it was a great design firm in Salt Lake

1091
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:24.660
Don Kilpatrick: But I was really trying to break out of doing that and really go out on my own. And, you know, there's just, you know, all the stuff surrounding that and not feeling secure in what I'm doing and

1092
01:33:25.200 --> 01:33:33.120
Don Kilpatrick: It just, it was very difficult. It was it couldn't have come at a worse time and I tried to remember that I'm not, you know, I, I'm not perfect at this but

1093
01:33:33.690 --> 01:33:43.200
Don Kilpatrick: I just don't see the need to just, you know, people living daylights out of someone, I think, I think it's you know it's better to really try and

1094
01:33:44.310 --> 01:33:50.820
Don Kilpatrick: You know, refocus and redirect and find positives and, you know, start a healthy dialogue that's real mentorship, you know,

1095
01:33:50.910 --> 01:34:02.220
Bill Koeb: Yeah, absolutely. And, and I think that's also the thing is to that and it's harder for people to believe the compliment to the positive things. Yep. And

1096
01:34:03.780 --> 01:34:04.530
Bill Koeb: But I don't

1097
01:34:05.550 --> 01:34:08.340
Bill Koeb: I don't say anything nice unless I mean it.

1098
01:34:09.420 --> 01:34:09.930
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

1099
01:34:10.290 --> 01:34:13.980
Bill Koeb: You know, actually I don't say anything meaningless. I mean it to but

1100
01:34:15.210 --> 01:34:17.340
Bill Koeb: I truly try not to say anything mean

1101
01:34:19.410 --> 01:34:29.100
Don Kilpatrick: And I think we have to be careful with that in in illustration and related fields. I think there's this toxicity that's there that you know you almost have to like

1102
01:34:29.940 --> 01:34:42.210
Don Kilpatrick: Be masochistic, you know, and I just don't buy into that I think definitely that it's rigorous. There's gonna be times where you're up late. There's going to be times where it's going to be like you just got to slog through it.

1103
01:34:42.870 --> 01:34:48.720
Don Kilpatrick: But I think there's this weird toxicity that exists. And I just, I

1104
01:34:49.320 --> 01:34:49.770
Dale Stephanos: Mean, duh.

1105
01:34:50.460 --> 01:35:02.010
Don Kilpatrick: Well, it's like, you know, if you don't do 100 drawings. Like, I mean, it's great to do 100 drawings. Don't get me wrong but if if you're not just eat, sleep drink breathe this every

1106
01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:04.170
Tim Trabon: Orchard the tortured artist.

1107
01:35:04.200 --> 01:35:10.530
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, I just think, you know, and even Norman Rockwell talked about that in his autobiography, where he was like

1108
01:35:11.280 --> 01:35:21.930
Don Kilpatrick: You know he he would draw eavesdropping on other students conversations. And they were just, you know, torturing themselves and he was like I was just trying to make an I look like an I am not a fried egg.

1109
01:35:22.020 --> 01:35:22.800
Yeah.

1110
01:35:24.270 --> 01:35:32.490
Tim Trabon: I pee pee home says it. I mean, you've you've essentially avoided the salt mines, your, your attempt. Well, you know, this is

1111
01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:35.010
Tim Trabon: You should enjoy

1112
01:35:35.460 --> 01:35:36.090
Don Kilpatrick: Your life.

1113
01:35:36.180 --> 01:35:48.270
Don Kilpatrick: I mean this is, well, you know, I remember you know Chris was talking about this I gosh, it could have been years ago when I was a student. I remember him saying he's like, look, you know, I'm not landing an aircraft.

1114
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:55.770
Don Kilpatrick: On an aircraft carrier in the middle of the Persian Gulf. You know, I get to paint and I get to draw every day. And I think, you know,

1115
01:35:56.640 --> 01:36:11.190
Don Kilpatrick: He sure I'm I think someone was asking him about, Well, are you sure you want to take that risk. And he's like, look, this is the risk, you know, I'm not landing an aircraft on an aircraft carrier here I'm painting on a surface you know and and in that that was a really useful thing.

1116
01:36:11.190 --> 01:36:12.420
Don Kilpatrick: For me to hear because

1117
01:36:12.450 --> 01:36:17.730
Don Kilpatrick: You do you do lose sight of that sometimes, at least I do. I'm speaking for myself I lose sight of that sometimes

1118
01:36:19.080 --> 01:36:21.270
Bill Koeb: And it's intimidating, you know, and

1119
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:25.440
Bill Koeb: You make something and then

1120
01:36:26.550 --> 01:36:30.240
Bill Koeb: The part of the arc of making things is actually to make a mistake, I think.

1121
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:35.220
Bill Koeb: run some things. I mean, some things you make a mistake and you know

1122
01:36:35.730 --> 01:36:36.660
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, yeah.

1123
01:36:36.750 --> 01:36:38.730
Bill Koeb: Well, have a table, you have, you know,

1124
01:36:39.780 --> 01:36:40.350
Bill Koeb: Box.

1125
01:36:41.310 --> 01:36:45.360
Don Kilpatrick: Well you know I did Chris say to the only thing taken a risk is the materials.

1126
01:36:45.540 --> 01:36:47.370
John English: You know, is the piece of paper.

1127
01:36:47.880 --> 01:37:00.420
Tim Trabon: Right done like the first. It was the first big shoot I ever got hired on as like I was one of two cameramen for it, but it was it like a national campaign for a

1128
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:03.960
Tim Trabon: chicken wing franchise. Yeah.

1129
01:37:04.500 --> 01:37:08.700
Tim Trabon: Big time that everybody knows right it was Dale. It was a huge deal for me.

1130
01:37:09.030 --> 01:37:12.750
Tim Trabon: Sure, it was, it felt like a really big deal.

1131
01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:14.100
Tim Trabon: And I'm not

1132
01:37:15.780 --> 01:37:17.490
Tim Trabon: Kidding. What it is ridiculous day

1133
01:37:18.750 --> 01:37:19.290
Dale Stephanos: Hey, man.

1134
01:37:19.350 --> 01:37:20.970
Tim Trabon: It was it was a chat. I mean,

1135
01:37:21.420 --> 01:37:28.260
Tim Trabon: It was a it was a and I was so stressed about it and I thought it was gonna I had these ideas of how it was going to

1136
01:37:29.010 --> 01:37:41.790
Tim Trabon: I got this shoot, but I was thinking of the feature film. I was going to work on like 10 years like I wasn't even thinking about the shoot. It was like I was so serious about it and so intense, and like the first day.

1137
01:37:42.870 --> 01:37:59.340
Tim Trabon: Something stupid kind of happened. It just said things back. Big time. It wasn't really my. But I was so stressed about it. And I remember I was really good friends with this guy was a radiologist at the time and I was just like ranting to him about it and like

1138
01:38:00.390 --> 01:38:02.460
Tim Trabon: Anybody die on your set today.

1139
01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:10.200
Tim Trabon: And I was like, no, and he was like yeah um I he's like, this is a

1140
01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:14.430
Tim Trabon: This is a conundrum, because he was like, I don't know how to give you

1141
01:38:17.190 --> 01:38:25.740
Tim Trabon: Like is here just he's like he just can't complain about this and you know i think i because it was a shoot with many Wade was involved with it.

1142
01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:38.790
Tim Trabon: Those of you who've been drawn with us for a while he was a guest with us a couple months ago but Landon was like he was the first guy on set, he was just like, Timmy. It's just chicken wings, man.

1143
01:38:39.240 --> 01:38:40.680
Don Kilpatrick: That's great. Mm hmm.

1144
01:38:40.740 --> 01:38:42.390
Tim Trabon: You know, well, you know, yeah.

1145
01:38:43.500 --> 01:38:49.950
Don Kilpatrick: And I have a friend here you know in in the Metro Detroit area. He worked. He no longer does be worked with the

1146
01:38:50.340 --> 01:38:59.670
Don Kilpatrick: ABC affiliate, you know, news in the newsroom. And he was like, look, the news has to go on at five o'clock, whether or not everything's perfect or not and

1147
01:39:00.120 --> 01:39:10.740
Don Kilpatrick: That was also a useful thing for me to hear because, you know, again, I could just, you know, tweak something and tell it screaming for me to put it out of its misery.

1148
01:39:10.890 --> 01:39:18.240
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah. And, and I think it's good to just, you know, let go. And I don't want to sound like, look, I think, you know,

1149
01:39:19.080 --> 01:39:33.690
Don Kilpatrick: I really think if you're struggling through something or you're really struggling to to to gain confidence in concepts related to illustration or painting drawing you know it's a big deal. I don't want to invalidate what some might be feeling

1150
01:39:35.010 --> 01:39:41.070
Don Kilpatrick: But, but, you know, I think, I think really what it is, is it's like it's letting go of that kind of idea of shame.

1151
01:39:41.940 --> 01:39:42.360
Don Kilpatrick: You know,

1152
01:39:43.050 --> 01:39:54.270
Don Kilpatrick: It's like you're not the problem. I mean, there's guilt in them, their shame. Right. And if you're if you're, you know, shame is like, I'm the I'm the bad person. I'm no matter what, I'm just I can't get it, you know.

1153
01:39:54.540 --> 01:39:55.140
Bill Koeb: And I think

1154
01:39:55.170 --> 01:40:00.030
Don Kilpatrick: You gotta let go with that. And I, when I was at the Academy. A couple of summers ago and

1155
01:40:00.780 --> 01:40:05.310
Don Kilpatrick: And I don't remember specifics, but you know john foster got there and he was talking about, you know,

1156
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:14.040
Don Kilpatrick: How you really have to take care of yourself and mental health is a major thing that you have to to work on and be conscious of and

1157
01:40:14.550 --> 01:40:31.470
Don Kilpatrick: It meant a lot to me at the time. And, you know, I've been at this for a while, you know, I'm not a undergrads, you know, I'm not just beginning here. And I think it's good for for all of us to practice, you know, regardless of where we're at on that spectrum, you know. Anyway, yeah.

1158
01:40:33.180 --> 01:40:33.960
Bill Koeb: Absolutely.

1159
01:40:34.140 --> 01:40:34.530
Dale Stephanos: Amen.

1160
01:40:34.950 --> 01:40:36.480
Bill Koeb: I can't be the be all and end all

1161
01:40:37.710 --> 01:40:38.220
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

1162
01:40:38.430 --> 01:40:38.880
Bill Koeb: You know,

1163
01:40:39.870 --> 01:40:42.750
Montalvo Machado: We care about mental health and many cases.

1164
01:40:43.950 --> 01:40:44.370
Montalvo Machado: It's just

1165
01:40:45.870 --> 01:40:50.820
Montalvo Machado: Get so hard on on us because I think we're getting critical about our

1166
01:40:51.930 --> 01:40:54.480
Montalvo Machado: You know, our own jobs or works and

1167
01:40:54.510 --> 01:41:02.640
Montalvo Machado: Everything. Yeah, sometimes it's we can do some real harm to ourselves because we don't work.

1168
01:41:03.750 --> 01:41:13.620
Montalvo Machado: And if we don't take care of it, or you know, be a little resilient that sometimes it just can you know give it all up is no no I'm just not good for this.

1169
01:41:14.010 --> 01:41:15.990
Montalvo Machado: Next, where the danger is

1170
01:41:16.440 --> 01:41:17.490
Don Kilpatrick: Mm hmm. Yeah.

1171
01:41:17.790 --> 01:41:18.600
Tim Trabon: The awards.

1172
01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:21.720
Tim Trabon: The trophies trophies won't fix

1173
01:41:22.350 --> 01:41:22.980
Yeah.

1174
01:41:25.260 --> 01:41:33.780
Montalvo Machado: I think it was Brent, it was. Yeah, it was Brent was saying to us that in the big supermarket of life we work in the toy department.

1175
01:41:38.670 --> 01:41:39.210
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

1176
01:41:39.420 --> 01:41:51.210
Montalvo Machado: So great, you know, it takes a really, you know, it takes a weight off your shoulder in such a way, it's just as you were saying this is not, you know, we're not, you know, landing a plane.

1177
01:41:52.530 --> 01:41:56.940
Montalvo Machado: Whatever we can do wrong as well. Of course, we, we have to take care of.

1178
01:41:57.660 --> 01:42:07.920
Montalvo Machado: Right and not screw with our clients. But if something really, really goes wrong. The worst thing that can happen just, you're going to lose the job.

1179
01:42:08.460 --> 01:42:12.870
Tim Trabon: Right. Oh, but Montalvo to to what you're saying. Like I like

1180
01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:22.170
Tim Trabon: I think a creative, it's like not afraid to fail right i. To me, it's like, oh, that's somebody I would definitely want to work with. But I don't want to get on a plane with a pilot, who's a

1181
01:42:26.130 --> 01:42:28.500
Tim Trabon: brain surgeon. Yeah, my

1182
01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:32.010
Bill Koeb: Land. Yeah, down in the ocean. We don't know.

1183
01:42:32.100 --> 01:42:32.280
Hey,

1184
01:42:33.330 --> 01:42:34.350
I'm gonna fly this plane.

1185
01:42:39.630 --> 01:42:39.990
Dale Stephanos: Yeah.

1186
01:42:40.470 --> 01:42:41.040
Tim Trabon: I'm just gonna

1187
01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:44.970
Tim Trabon: The jazz musician of pilots.

1188
01:42:47.670 --> 01:42:49.590
Bill Koeb: Or anybody else who can fly the plane.

1189
01:42:50.610 --> 01:42:51.330
Tim Trabon: Yeah, exactly.

1190
01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:53.850
Tim Trabon: Jana Jana has gotten

1191
01:42:56.040 --> 01:42:56.310
Don Kilpatrick: From

1192
01:42:57.090 --> 01:43:03.930
Tim Trabon: The end of a long day of teaching second grade and maybe I'll like be like, which we, you know, and she'd be like,

1193
01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:15.450
Tim Trabon: I don't care, I don't know, just choose right and I'll kind of keep prodding and she'll be like, did you know that grade school teachers make more last minute decisions didn't brain surgeons.

1194
01:43:16.380 --> 01:43:21.000
Tim Trabon: My responses. Do you want your brain surgeon making a lot of last

1195
01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:21.270
Minute.

1196
01:43:24.630 --> 01:43:25.140
Don Kilpatrick: Right.

1197
01:43:27.030 --> 01:43:29.220
Dale Stephanos: To me, because as a guy who's been married for

1198
01:43:30.330 --> 01:43:31.140
Dale Stephanos: 30 years

1199
01:43:31.500 --> 01:43:32.610
Tim Trabon: Not, not the route.

1200
01:43:32.670 --> 01:43:35.130
Dale Stephanos: Just a little advice. Sometimes, you should just listen.

1201
01:43:35.550 --> 01:43:36.060
Yes.

1202
01:43:37.890 --> 01:43:38.790
Tim Trabon: Take your advice.

1203
01:43:39.330 --> 01:43:40.290
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah. Second,

1204
01:43:42.900 --> 01:43:46.230
Montalvo Machado: One thing that my ex wife used to say to me, he said.

1205
01:43:47.310 --> 01:43:51.120
Montalvo Machado: You have to choose one, you want to be right or do you want to be happy.

1206
01:43:53.310 --> 01:43:55.950
Bill Koeb: I went to a couple of the same thing.

1207
01:43:56.490 --> 01:43:56.790
Yeah.

1208
01:43:57.870 --> 01:43:59.850
Bill Koeb: You want to get along. Give up.

1209
01:44:00.630 --> 01:44:02.490
Tim Trabon: Right, or dead, dead right you know

1210
01:44:04.710 --> 01:44:05.520
Dale Stephanos: You're on tonight.

1211
01:44:05.850 --> 01:44:06.150
Yeah.

1212
01:44:08.700 --> 01:44:12.750
Bill Koeb: So just aside Dale. That looks fantastic. I'm checking out what you're drawing

1213
01:44:12.810 --> 01:44:13.740
Dale Stephanos: That's amazing. Thank you.

1214
01:44:14.220 --> 01:44:16.410
Dale Stephanos: And it's a nice picture.

1215
01:44:16.890 --> 01:44:20.790
Bill Koeb: Yeah, and john also to that that sort of from

1216
01:44:20.820 --> 01:44:21.420
Don Kilpatrick: From where I get

1217
01:44:21.690 --> 01:44:24.150
Bill Koeb: Really nice Gary Kelly piece.

1218
01:44:24.810 --> 01:44:25.650
John English: I haven't been

1219
01:44:27.090 --> 01:44:30.090
John English: I'm not, I don't know, I'm not my best tonight.

1220
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:32.370
Bill Koeb: Oh, that looks amazing.

1221
01:44:32.820 --> 01:44:33.330
Don Kilpatrick: I love it.

1222
01:44:33.900 --> 01:44:35.580
John English: I'll put on the other camera here.

1223
01:44:37.530 --> 01:44:38.880
Montalvo Machado: Looks great from Brazil.

1224
01:44:39.930 --> 01:44:42.000
John English: Yeah, from Brazil, it probably looks okay

1225
01:44:42.780 --> 01:44:43.620
Bill Koeb: Oh no, that looks

1226
01:44:44.400 --> 01:44:47.130
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Nice. It's

1227
01:44:47.400 --> 01:44:47.730
Been

1228
01:44:51.900 --> 01:44:55.170
Bill Koeb: I mean, there's a chisel quality to that that I really like.

1229
01:44:55.740 --> 01:44:56.040
Yeah.

1230
01:44:57.960 --> 01:44:59.310
John English: Because I haven't screwed it up here.

1231
01:44:59.850 --> 01:45:01.230
John English: Well, I haven't worked on.

1232
01:45:01.650 --> 01:45:02.940
Bill Koeb: Gary's work so

1233
01:45:04.710 --> 01:45:08.130
Bill Koeb: It's like well last week when you had your piece that it was simple shapes.

1234
01:45:09.180 --> 01:45:10.410
Bill Koeb: And then the line drawing

1235
01:45:11.970 --> 01:45:14.940
Bill Koeb: I mean, I love where you went with it, but it was it a great point. Then, too.

1236
01:45:17.460 --> 01:45:21.840
John English: Yeah, yeah. They're always good. At some point, and then they go away.

1237
01:45:22.110 --> 01:45:24.060
Bill Koeb: No, it was good at the end to

1238
01:45:25.650 --> 01:45:28.680
John English: I'm kidding. A lot of times they're not good at some point.

1239
01:45:29.310 --> 01:45:29.820
Yeah.

1240
01:45:34.350 --> 01:45:37.020
Tim Trabon: Tonight. Tonight is a blur it. Is this the third post

1241
01:45:37.350 --> 01:45:38.310
John English: Yeah, we got we got

1242
01:45:39.030 --> 01:45:40.830
John English: We got

1243
01:45:41.190 --> 01:45:41.910
John English: More time

1244
01:45:42.360 --> 01:45:48.270
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah yeah did. What did it did the screen ever getting better resolution. I'm, I'm just curious. I

1245
01:45:49.290 --> 01:45:49.680
Bill Koeb: Know,

1246
01:45:51.300 --> 01:45:55.590
Tim Trabon: I'm sorry. Well, I try, but everybody can see the broad strokes.

1247
01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:56.520
Bill Koeb: Yeah, I mean,

1248
01:45:58.080 --> 01:45:59.820
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, yeah, so that's

1249
01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:00.360
Bill Koeb: Me. Okay.

1250
01:46:00.780 --> 01:46:06.450
Don Kilpatrick: Great, thanks. So if I take this further, but you know it's really just in this time, just trying to get that

1251
01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:09.570
Don Kilpatrick: Initial movement and gesture down

1252
01:46:09.810 --> 01:46:11.430
Tim Trabon: Sitting down five years ago.

1253
01:46:11.460 --> 01:46:13.950
Tim Trabon: People wouldn't even complain about that so

1254
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:17.670
Bill Koeb: I resolution five years. Yeah.

1255
01:46:18.570 --> 01:46:22.200
Bill Koeb: Yeah, I like how you put the figure into space, you know,

1256
01:46:23.970 --> 01:46:25.650
Bill Koeb: Drawing is more upright years he's

1257
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:26.670
Don Kilpatrick: Like it's nice

1258
01:46:27.360 --> 01:46:28.890
Bill Koeb: He's really leaning forward.

1259
01:46:29.400 --> 01:46:31.230
Tim Trabon: We're checking out Dale's define us is

1260
01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:32.850
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah. Very nice.

1261
01:46:33.570 --> 01:46:34.530
Dale Stephanos: I really like that.

1262
01:46:35.040 --> 01:46:36.300
Bill Koeb: Oh that's gorgeous Dale.

1263
01:46:37.530 --> 01:46:37.920
Dale Stephanos: Dale.

1264
01:46:38.850 --> 01:46:44.370
Dale Stephanos: Notice it's it's always nice. I forgot I was drawing when we were talking

1265
01:46:45.120 --> 01:46:45.600
Yeah.

1266
01:46:46.650 --> 01:46:53.910
Dale Stephanos: And I think for me I do my better work when I'm not concentrating on what I'm doing.

1267
01:46:56.070 --> 01:46:56.670
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

1268
01:46:58.380 --> 01:46:59.100
Don Kilpatrick: No, I hear you.

1269
01:46:59.370 --> 01:47:03.630
Bill Koeb: That's why I liked all the banter when going because it makes me forget

1270
01:47:05.310 --> 01:47:06.030
Bill Koeb: What I'm doing

1271
01:47:08.310 --> 01:47:08.670
Yeah.

1272
01:47:10.110 --> 01:47:11.700
John English: Well, yeah.

1273
01:47:11.820 --> 01:47:12.060
Don Kilpatrick: All right.

1274
01:47:13.200 --> 01:47:14.220
Tim Trabon: Hey Montalvo

1275
01:47:17.460 --> 01:47:20.580
Dale Stephanos: I'll go on this. What's hello. If you want to go doesn't doesn't matter to me.

1276
01:47:21.030 --> 01:47:22.080
Bill Koeb: Oh nice Montalvo

1277
01:47:22.140 --> 01:47:23.040
Tim Trabon: Nice. Yeah.

1278
01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:31.140
John English: I think the pose for this photograph I kind of thought of my Taba when I pulled this pose. Yeah. And I thought he would like it.

1279
01:47:31.830 --> 01:47:32.370
Montalvo Machado: Yeah yeah

1280
01:47:32.430 --> 01:47:34.050
Tim Trabon: We can hop around. How about that.

1281
01:47:34.170 --> 01:47:36.120
That's fine to be easy. Yeah.

1282
01:47:37.320 --> 01:47:38.010
Tim Trabon: All right.

1283
01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.150
Bill Koeb: The one, the one extra looks great to Montalvo

1284
01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:44.400
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, that's really nice. Thank you.

1285
01:47:46.980 --> 01:47:48.510
John English: The thunder from down under

1286
01:47:55.020 --> 01:48:00.930
Bill Koeb: That makes me want to admit john that I watched like one of the worst movies last night.

1287
01:48:02.460 --> 01:48:03.210
Bill Koeb: Thunderdome

1288
01:48:06.090 --> 01:48:06.450
Don Kilpatrick: What

1289
01:48:06.900 --> 01:48:07.590
Bill Koeb: Mad Max.

1290
01:48:07.710 --> 01:48:08.250
Max.

1291
01:48:09.270 --> 01:48:10.050
John English: I've seen that.

1292
01:48:11.100 --> 01:48:12.030
Bill Koeb: It's so bad.

1293
01:48:13.350 --> 01:48:13.590
Don Kilpatrick: In it.

1294
01:48:14.820 --> 01:48:15.600
Bill Koeb: Know,

1295
01:48:16.950 --> 01:48:17.490
Bill Koeb: The minute

1296
01:48:18.330 --> 01:48:19.770
Don Kilpatrick: Sting isn't sitting in that one.

1297
01:48:20.340 --> 01:48:22.380
Dale Stephanos: Know what are you thinking about doing

1298
01:48:22.470 --> 01:48:23.730
Don Kilpatrick: I was searching on say

1299
01:48:23.730 --> 01:48:26.280
Tim Trabon: Crocodile Dundee, I was like certain bills.

1300
01:48:30.240 --> 01:48:31.830
Bill Koeb: This is my life. Oh.

1301
01:48:33.990 --> 01:48:35.010
Montalvo Machado: That's not annoyed.

1302
01:48:35.280 --> 01:48:36.480
Turner's in here.

1303
01:48:37.980 --> 01:48:48.420
Don Kilpatrick: Reminds me of the intro to Dumb and Dumber where Jim Carrey is driving the chauffeur and he's being a show for the he stopped pulls over the woman's like I'm from Austria, he's like well put another shrimp on the barbie

1304
01:48:52.080 --> 01:48:52.470
Man.

1305
01:49:12.510 --> 01:49:12.900
John English: Yeah.

1306
01:49:14.400 --> 01:49:20.370
Montalvo Machado: This, this is what I'm doing here. Just letting that it's been a little bit looser

1307
01:49:22.290 --> 01:49:23.940
Montalvo Machado: Bit of a caricature something

1308
01:49:26.370 --> 01:49:28.860
Tim Trabon: Sarah we officially. Are we moving on to the next post

1309
01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:29.250
Right.

1310
01:49:30.360 --> 01:49:31.080
Montalvo Machado: Okay, yeah.

1311
01:49:31.530 --> 01:49:37.470
Tim Trabon: Hey, my tava. Do you think it's possible. Is your camera able to get any closer or is it right up to your shoulder.

1312
01:49:37.830 --> 01:49:41.820
Montalvo Machado: All right, I'm gonna just I'm trying to cuz

1313
01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:47.070
Tim Trabon: Cuz it's so far away, it's blown in your papers being blown out

1314
01:49:47.730 --> 01:49:49.470
Montalvo Machado: All right, yeah.

1315
01:49:50.940 --> 01:49:51.780
Tim Trabon: That's gonna be great.

1316
01:49:52.860 --> 01:49:55.290
Montalvo Machado: Is that right, I think so. Yeah, yeah.

1317
01:49:57.420 --> 01:50:05.550
Montalvo Machado: I tried to replace the camera was just the other sessions. I was just too straightforward and it was getting on my way.

1318
01:50:06.630 --> 01:50:07.110
Tim Trabon: Yeah.

1319
01:50:07.890 --> 01:50:08.220
And

1320
01:50:10.080 --> 01:50:12.330
Tim Trabon: I think this will be good. Yeah.

1321
01:50:12.660 --> 01:50:13.980
Montalvo Machado: All right, good. Yeah.

1322
01:50:14.160 --> 01:50:15.900
John English: We're good to go. Let's do

1323
01:50:16.620 --> 01:50:17.040
Dale Stephanos: Which one

1324
01:50:17.610 --> 01:50:18.630
Montalvo Machado: Which one is

1325
01:50:18.690 --> 01:50:21.390
John English: The girl coming out of the blacks.

1326
01:50:21.990 --> 01:50:22.530
Dale Stephanos: The yellow

1327
01:50:23.670 --> 01:50:24.060
Montalvo Machado: All right.

1328
01:50:24.510 --> 01:50:25.860
Dale Stephanos: Oh, awesome. That's great.

1329
01:50:26.310 --> 01:50:27.000
Bill Koeb: That's great.

1330
01:50:27.750 --> 01:50:29.070
John English: I thought of Montalvo when

1331
01:50:30.120 --> 01:50:31.470
John English: That was going to be perfect for

1332
01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:33.150
Thank you.

1333
01:50:35.670 --> 01:50:36.330
Dale Stephanos: No pressure.

1334
01:50:37.230 --> 01:50:37.770
At all right.

1335
01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:42.330
John English: Like when Tom was going to do the best drawing of his life when I

1336
01:50:42.510 --> 01:50:43.200
Bill Koeb: mess it up.

1337
01:50:44.430 --> 01:50:46.530
Montalvo Machado: Oh no, I got some pressure

1338
01:50:51.570 --> 01:50:51.990
Montalvo Machado: Going

1339
01:50:52.470 --> 01:50:52.740
Yep.

1340
01:51:00.810 --> 01:51:01.350
Tim Trabon: Now,

1341
01:51:02.700 --> 01:51:05.760
Tim Trabon: Most of the screen is your hair which we all love

1342
01:51:05.790 --> 01:51:06.030
But

1343
01:51:08.970 --> 01:51:14.790
Tim Trabon: Unfortunately, it seems like, yeah, you might have to position things a little differently.

1344
01:51:16.020 --> 01:51:16.620
Montalvo Machado: Is it better.

1345
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:18.510
Tim Trabon: We'll see.

1346
01:51:21.390 --> 01:51:22.770
Montalvo Machado: Hey look, it's good.

1347
01:51:23.940 --> 01:51:24.630
Tim Trabon: It's great.

1348
01:51:27.270 --> 01:51:28.980
Montalvo Machado: Oh, good. Oh good, you know,

1349
01:51:30.090 --> 01:51:30.750
Montalvo Machado: The whole of it.

1350
01:51:30.810 --> 01:51:32.880
Tim Trabon: I hey I think it's, it looks great. Now,

1351
01:51:32.910 --> 01:51:34.620
Montalvo Machado: Better now. Yeah. Much better.

1352
01:53:35.670 --> 01:53:37.320
Bill Koeb: I really liked the way her hair is

1353
01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:41.610
Bill Koeb: Getting streaming around the front and the back of her

1354
01:53:45.510 --> 01:53:47.910
Dale Stephanos: Bill, thanks for speaking up. I thought I lost my audio for a second.

1355
01:53:49.320 --> 01:53:51.360
Bill Koeb: Yeah, I was really glad

1356
01:53:51.900 --> 01:53:54.180
Don Kilpatrick: And I was like everybody's actually drawing

1357
01:53:57.150 --> 01:54:01.380
Bill Koeb: I was going to put pressure on and tell and tell me Gary Keller was in the audience.

1358
01:54:07.020 --> 01:54:07.680
Montalvo Machado: He's been watching

1359
01:54:07.890 --> 01:54:09.900
Montalvo Machado: over my shoulder. When I was going

1360
01:54:10.920 --> 01:54:12.930
Montalvo Machado: And I didn't freak out, it was

1361
01:54:14.310 --> 01:54:15.240
Montalvo Machado: Quite an experience.

1362
01:54:18.150 --> 01:54:21.180
Dale Stephanos: I WAS JUST I WAS JUST gifted with

1363
01:54:22.230 --> 01:54:23.490
Dale Stephanos: The most awesome thing.

1364
01:54:25.800 --> 01:54:26.310
Dale Stephanos: My

1365
01:54:29.250 --> 01:54:31.980
Dale Stephanos: My mother's kind of slowly unloading stuff.

1366
01:54:33.180 --> 01:54:38.430
Dale Stephanos: I think as people her age, do they start just giving their stuff away downsizing and all that.

1367
01:54:40.110 --> 01:54:45.360
Dale Stephanos: So she had her my stepfather was a basketball player and then we go to the

1368
01:54:46.950 --> 01:54:50.040
Dale Stephanos: The all star game every year and

1369
01:54:52.230 --> 01:54:56.280
Dale Stephanos: Few years ago is in Chicago and Gary Kelly did the poster.

1370
01:54:56.970 --> 01:54:57.660
Bill Koeb: Oh, cool.

1371
01:54:57.870 --> 01:55:08.190
Dale Stephanos: So I've got this this big probably two three foot tall probably actually like three foot tall Gary Kelly.

1372
01:55:10.140 --> 01:55:15.900
Dale Stephanos: Print that I'm gonna put up nice. I've been lusting after it for four years.

1373
01:55:17.310 --> 01:55:19.020
Dale Stephanos: And finally gave it up.

1374
01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:20.820
Bill Koeb: That's awesome. Yeah.

1375
01:55:23.430 --> 01:55:24.360
John English: Good thing to have.

1376
01:55:24.780 --> 01:55:26.520
Dale Stephanos: Oh my god so beautiful.

1377
01:55:31.980 --> 01:55:32.730
Montalvo Machado: There's a friend of mine.

1378
01:55:34.770 --> 01:55:42.870
Montalvo Machado: He has this incredible story about his parents he was about 4042 years old by then and

1379
01:55:43.980 --> 01:55:59.010
Montalvo Machado: When he was a kid. He wanted to draw, but his parents just wouldn't allow him to say, well, you gotta do something real you've got you've got to study. You got it. Right, right. So when whenever he was drawing. They were trying to, you know,

1380
01:56:00.180 --> 01:56:16.650
Montalvo Machado: Push them out of them. And then, time goes on and he became one of the best. You know, most incredible draftsman in Brazil working for McDonald's for years and doing some beautiful stuff but back then.

1381
01:56:18.750 --> 01:56:31.860
Montalvo Machado: He just wouldn't be allowed to and then his parents was just, you know, moving from one house to another and found a box and say, well, you know what, there are some books here. There are some things that you wrote when you were a kid.

1382
01:56:33.780 --> 01:56:45.630
Montalvo Machado: Can I just throw them away. I said, No, I want to check it out. Just don't throw anything away is just all mine. And then he goes flipping through things and he finds a book.

1383
01:56:46.290 --> 01:56:56.700
Montalvo Machado: A book no a notebook. He was just writing on and then started reading from like 30 years 30 on the back and then he says

1384
01:56:57.690 --> 01:57:13.860
Montalvo Machado: I was writing this to myself because I couldn't draw and he was just drawing with text and and writing stories to himself when he was older, who say, well, when I'm older. I can go back to this and draw

1385
01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:18.930
Montalvo Machado: You know, whatever I want and then he was started telling him.

1386
01:57:20.100 --> 01:57:23.190
Montalvo Machado: What he should be doing, you know, when he was 40

1387
01:57:23.940 --> 01:57:30.240
Montalvo Machado: And then he found a book that's so incredible. Just like you know the effect. Butterfly Effect is just

1388
01:57:30.660 --> 01:57:41.280
Montalvo Machado: He got in conversation to himself, like many, many years before. And then he started writing the stories he got this seriously.

1389
01:57:42.510 --> 01:57:52.890
Montalvo Machado: This is so amazing was just and now I can draw now nobody else you know can can bother me. And I can do whatever my younger self taught me to

1390
01:57:55.980 --> 01:57:56.640
Montalvo Machado: Funny story.

1391
01:57:57.090 --> 01:57:58.650
Bill Koeb: That's amazing. Yeah.

1392
01:58:21.900 --> 01:58:27.990
Tim Trabon: Someone just asked. I don't know. Maybe I'm late to it because I stepped away, but we're using the coming out of the blocks reference

1393
01:58:29.820 --> 01:58:31.470
John English: Yes. Yeah, yeah.

1394
01:58:32.700 --> 01:58:35.520
Dale Stephanos: Timmy can tell by what any of us who are drawing to

1395
01:58:35.550 --> 01:58:37.590
Tim Trabon: Just, you know, I wasn't asking

1396
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Tim Trabon: I thought that maybe I stepped

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Away.

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01:58:42.210 --> 01:58:42.540
John English: I couldn't

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01:58:43.350 --> 01:58:43.830
Tim Trabon: Do anything

1400
01:58:45.450 --> 01:58:50.820
Tim Trabon: It's yeah john thinks that the photos are just suggestions.

1401
01:58:54.270 --> 01:58:58.170
Dale Stephanos: I could school. He's doing his English homework in math. Yeah, right.

1402
01:59:00.180 --> 01:59:04.290
Dale Stephanos: Well that's nice John's a diligent student, it's just

1403
01:59:05.070 --> 01:59:06.150
Dale Stephanos: Wrong subjects.

1404
01:59:09.150 --> 01:59:10.590
Hey guys, sorry.

1405
01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:18.870
John English: I'm just slow tonight.

1406
01:59:22.050 --> 01:59:23.850
John English: Well, slower than usual.

1407
01:59:29.340 --> 01:59:29.940
Tim Trabon: Anybody

1408
01:59:31.020 --> 01:59:34.440
Tim Trabon: Halloween plans, you know, between parties.

1409
01:59:36.090 --> 01:59:41.430
Tim Trabon: Yeah, dressing up. Do we have some coffee did. Do you guys do costumes.

1410
01:59:42.090 --> 01:59:45.180
Don Kilpatrick: No, no. I'd like to say I do but

1411
01:59:47.370 --> 01:59:48.720
John English: We need Audrey here tonight.

1412
01:59:49.200 --> 01:59:50.220
Don Kilpatrick: I am

1413
01:59:51.510 --> 01:59:56.970
John English: Costumes, she's taking a tour right now she's she went to Sleepy Hollow.

1414
01:59:58.110 --> 02:00:00.750
John English: Know, as you grow the Sleepy Hollow.

1415
02:00:01.890 --> 02:00:03.750
John English: Yeah, Halloween fan.

1416
02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:05.760
Dale Stephanos: That's fantastic.

1417
02:00:06.510 --> 02:00:09.030
Tim Trabon: Someone just messaged I miss the girls, we all

1418
02:00:11.550 --> 02:00:12.120
Dale Stephanos: Week.

1419
02:00:12.390 --> 02:00:13.890
Don Kilpatrick: It's, yeah.

1420
02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:18.300
John English: Yeah, I do too, they'll be back. I'll be back.

1421
02:00:19.980 --> 02:00:22.980
John English: Researched next week. She was traveling and

1422
02:00:25.050 --> 02:00:27.660
John English: Ashley is about to have a baby.

1423
02:00:28.740 --> 02:00:29.370
Don Kilpatrick: Oh three

1424
02:00:32.130 --> 02:00:32.520
Bill Koeb: Yeah, good.

1425
02:00:32.970 --> 02:00:34.440
Dale Stephanos: That excuse

1426
02:00:36.390 --> 02:00:37.800
John English: lame excuse

1427
02:00:37.890 --> 02:00:38.550
Bill Koeb: We're both went

1428
02:00:40.020 --> 02:00:40.440
Dale Stephanos: On

1429
02:00:41.550 --> 02:00:41.880
Don Kilpatrick: Hmm.

1430
02:00:42.330 --> 02:00:43.950
Montalvo Machado: It can be, I bet there and do

1431
02:00:43.950 --> 02:00:44.310
John English: Something

1432
02:00:44.760 --> 02:00:46.380
Tim Trabon: And those of you on the audience way.

1433
02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:47.850
Tim Trabon: I am going to cut you guys off.

1434
02:00:48.030 --> 02:00:49.410
Don Kilpatrick: For those of you in the audience.

1435
02:00:50.010 --> 02:00:51.570
Know what sarcasm is

1436
02:00:54.510 --> 02:00:55.080
Tim Trabon: I want to

1437
02:00:55.170 --> 02:00:59.640
Tim Trabon: I want to sarcasm, asterisk, a noted this part of the video.

1438
02:01:03.330 --> 02:01:04.290
Tim Trabon: Yeah, exactly.

1439
02:01:06.180 --> 02:01:07.980
Montalvo Machado: Like a beep sound or something.

1440
02:01:08.190 --> 02:01:08.640
Yeah.

1441
02:01:11.400 --> 02:01:19.470
Tim Trabon: No I Jana is, as many of you got to see actually early quarantine Janice really serious about costumes to

1442
02:01:20.820 --> 02:01:21.570
John English: Absolutely.

1443
02:01:21.690 --> 02:01:22.380
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, yeah.

1444
02:01:22.590 --> 02:01:34.920
Tim Trabon: We've she's never gotten me to do a couple's costume, but she always does. I actually she dressed me up as on the topic of Dumb and Dumber. As I as Jim Carrey when he's at the lodge.

1445
02:01:36.780 --> 02:01:39.270
Tim Trabon: Like not your typical Jim Carrey

1446
02:01:39.540 --> 02:01:39.780
Tim Trabon: That

1447
02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:53.340
Tim Trabon: You see, right, but she's always wanted to do a couple of costume. And I think that this year because of my hair. We're really it's right now it seems very likely we're going to do. Jay and Silent Bob

1448
02:01:56.580 --> 02:01:57.900
Don Kilpatrick: You can pull that one off.

1449
02:01:57.990 --> 02:02:00.630
Tim Trabon: Yeah, we both have the perfect hair for it that are

1450
02:02:01.890 --> 02:02:04.860
Don Kilpatrick: You get a trench coats. Yeah. Oh, good.

1451
02:02:05.670 --> 02:02:06.930
Bill Koeb: What are you gonna do, Timmy.

1452
02:02:07.140 --> 02:02:08.310
Tim Trabon: Jay and Silent Bob

1453
02:02:11.130 --> 02:02:12.000
Bill Koeb: Yeah.

1454
02:02:13.380 --> 02:02:15.120
Tim Trabon: It was that are Bill and Ted

1455
02:02:16.140 --> 02:02:18.060
Bill Koeb: No, I think, Jay and Silent Bob is a

1456
02:02:18.510 --> 02:02:19.920
Tim Trabon: It's it's a better fit.

1457
02:02:20.190 --> 02:02:20.610
Yeah.

1458
02:02:22.530 --> 02:02:26.340
Bill Koeb: I mean, I'm going to be giving out candy and

1459
02:02:28.140 --> 02:02:30.450
Bill Koeb: I've put some Halloween decorations out

1460
02:02:33.480 --> 02:02:39.630
Bill Koeb: And I'll probably dress up somehow. I don't know. I mean, I'll have, I'll have a mask on and

1461
02:02:41.910 --> 02:02:43.770
Bill Koeb: Probably some Facebook page or something.

1462
02:02:43.830 --> 02:02:45.660
Bill Koeb: Nice, you know,

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02:02:46.170 --> 02:02:56.640
Tim Trabon: Jeremiah just asked which one I would be which, despite the fact that I have facial hair Gianni doesn't she really wants to do I go t. So she's gonna be silent, Bob.

1464
02:02:57.330 --> 02:02:58.140
Bill Koeb: That's funny.

1465
02:03:00.270 --> 02:03:03.810
John English: Yeah, that doesn't work, Sonny and Cher our

1466
02:03:04.770 --> 02:03:06.720
Tim Trabon: Yeah, Tony and share

1467
02:03:10.200 --> 02:03:11.820
Tim Trabon: Yeah, I love

1468
02:03:12.330 --> 02:03:13.290
Bill Koeb: Studying cherries.

1469
02:03:15.420 --> 02:03:16.290
Tim Trabon: I bet we got

1470
02:03:17.610 --> 02:03:20.940
Tim Trabon: Some of the illustration isolation, life is probably know

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02:03:24.450 --> 02:03:28.320
Don Kilpatrick: My wife. A few years ago, did the best costume. She was black swan.

1472
02:03:29.430 --> 02:03:32.220
Don Kilpatrick: Oh wow, pretty edgy choice.

1473
02:03:36.810 --> 02:03:40.860
Don Kilpatrick: It was pretty. It was pretty cool. People were like, whoa, yeah. Hey,

1474
02:03:42.690 --> 02:03:44.070
Dale Stephanos: We did a horror movie.

1475
02:03:44.700 --> 02:03:45.120
Bill Koeb: That is a

1476
02:03:46.470 --> 02:03:46.920
Tim Trabon: Movie.

1477
02:03:52.050 --> 02:03:52.560
Tim Trabon: We did.

1478
02:03:53.910 --> 02:04:07.680
Tim Trabon: When I was living with my brother Jana Jana Jana, my brother, we're in this House, and then his girl, my brother's wife came into town. This is years ago we all did as a group. The Goonies and

1479
02:04:07.740 --> 02:04:09.330
Dale Stephanos: Looks awesome loved it.

1480
02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:10.530
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, that's

1481
02:04:10.710 --> 02:04:17.490
Tim Trabon: Tony did a, what's his name. The older brother. That's like the total bro, and

1482
02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:22.650
Don Kilpatrick: Now he's an iconic now he's like an iconic actor is it's Brolin right, isn't it.

1483
02:04:22.650 --> 02:04:26.880
Tim Trabon: Yeah, Josh brown Tony Tony dresses Josh Brolin does like the

1484
02:04:28.410 --> 02:04:32.670
Tim Trabon: Know he's got the the the exercise equipment and everything that you

1485
02:04:32.670 --> 02:04:35.430
Don Kilpatrick: Get. Yeah. Oh my God, yeah.

1486
02:04:36.540 --> 02:04:38.310
Don Kilpatrick: truffle shuffle, man. Yeah.

1487
02:04:40.230 --> 02:04:45.540
Tim Trabon: Yeah, his, his wife dressed up is. Yeah. Yeah. What's the character is a

1488
02:04:45.570 --> 02:04:46.830
Tim Trabon: Chunk or something. Yeah.

1489
02:04:48.420 --> 02:04:49.230
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

1490
02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:51.660
Don Kilpatrick: My favorite like

1491
02:04:52.260 --> 02:04:56.910
Tim Trabon: 1980s, just like just be just just horrible.

1492
02:04:59.100 --> 02:05:04.230
Tim Trabon: Yeah, and then Jana. Dad What's that, hey, you guys.

1493
02:05:06.150 --> 02:05:08.700
Don Kilpatrick: So what's the character is now.

1494
02:05:08.790 --> 02:05:09.750
Tim Trabon: I don't know that movie.

1495
02:05:10.980 --> 02:05:13.890
Don Kilpatrick: He was also the same actor was also in

1496
02:05:15.150 --> 02:05:19.410
Don Kilpatrick: Wasn't him the Indiana Jones second Indiana Jones movie slot.

1497
02:05:20.400 --> 02:05:22.620
Don Kilpatrick: I don't know the kid.

1498
02:05:22.680 --> 02:05:24.810
Bill Koeb: Then follows shortstop

1499
02:05:25.050 --> 02:05:27.090
Don Kilpatrick: shortstop shortstop

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02:05:28.530 --> 02:05:31.980
Tim Trabon: Yeah we we watched that that was not

1501
02:05:34.290 --> 02:05:41.880
Tim Trabon: A whole lot after that that chapter. Don't know. I mean, the film held up but that that section. It was like, poof.

1502
02:05:42.720 --> 02:05:45.720
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah. Well, no. Yeah.

1503
02:05:46.200 --> 02:05:49.680
Tim Trabon: But, uh, somebody just messaged slot.

1504
02:05:52.650 --> 02:05:53.250
Don Kilpatrick: Yes.

1505
02:05:53.730 --> 02:06:00.960
Tim Trabon: So both of our significant others decided to pick the the least likable characters.

1506
02:06:06.150 --> 02:06:07.680
Tim Trabon: Yeah yeah

1507
02:06:07.740 --> 02:06:13.830
Tim Trabon: There was like we were at a Halloween party where people tended to pick the more like glamorous like

1508
02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:19.860
Tim Trabon: egocentric costumes, you know, and Giuliana and Danny were dressed

1509
02:06:21.090 --> 02:06:21.720
Tim Trabon: Shrunk and

1510
02:06:24.990 --> 02:06:27.060
Tim Trabon: It was like it was just fantastic.

1511
02:06:27.180 --> 02:06:27.900
Bill Koeb: That's perfect.

1512
02:06:29.970 --> 02:06:31.290
Don Kilpatrick: Chunk and slot.

1513
02:06:32.130 --> 02:06:37.380
Bill Koeb: I think the best customs i did was one year, I did.

1514
02:06:38.670 --> 02:06:39.420
Bill Koeb: Van Gogh.

1515
02:06:40.620 --> 02:06:44.220
Bill Koeb: And orange paint and my hair and my beard.

1516
02:06:46.650 --> 02:06:51.390
Bill Koeb: And then another year i i was the twister game.

1517
02:06:54.240 --> 02:06:54.840
Bill Koeb: Well, I took

1518
02:06:56.460 --> 02:07:00.180
Bill Koeb: The paper that you know you line drawers with or whatever contact paper.

1519
02:07:00.180 --> 02:07:00.750
Tim Trabon: Here. Yeah.

1520
02:07:01.110 --> 02:07:08.520
Bill Koeb: And I got, you know, the dots and stuff and I were all white and then put the dots, you know,

1521
02:07:09.720 --> 02:07:12.390
Bill Koeb: On the front of me and then I had a spinner dial.

1522
02:07:17.550 --> 02:07:23.160
Tim Trabon: I was telling john before, before we opened it up, Bill. I don't know if you're in the room, but I was like

1523
02:07:24.330 --> 02:07:29.790
Tim Trabon: We shouldn't have told every we should have told like one person that we were all coming in costume to draw tonight.

1524
02:07:32.850 --> 02:07:34.260
Don Kilpatrick: I wish Ray was here, we could

1525
02:07:34.260 --> 02:07:34.320
Have

1526
02:07:35.550 --> 02:07:37.320
Tim Trabon: Raised he's dressed up like Dracula.

1527
02:07:39.600 --> 02:07:40.710
Don Kilpatrick: Camera on him the whole

1528
02:07:40.710 --> 02:07:41.580
Tim Trabon: Time. Yeah.

1529
02:07:41.850 --> 02:07:42.420
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah.

1530
02:07:42.720 --> 02:07:43.770
Tim Trabon: The only person.

1531
02:07:47.370 --> 02:07:49.770
Don Kilpatrick: Giving the color of blood that just

1532
02:07:49.860 --> 02:07:54.150
Bill Koeb: Means we're all going to do this in character. Right. Yeah.

1533
02:07:56.520 --> 02:08:00.030
Don Kilpatrick: Well, we should tell ray that have Ray random

1534
02:08:06.030 --> 02:08:09.630
John English: Best Halloween costume ever had. I was eight years old.

1535
02:08:10.650 --> 02:08:16.140
John English: And the Batman series that made for TV Batman series out of my series just came out.

1536
02:08:17.250 --> 02:08:29.910
John English: And nobody had Batman swag. I mean, there was certainly it was too early and my head right, Dad, I don't know how much time he spent doing this. But he made a mask for me.

1537
02:08:30.930 --> 02:08:32.190
Don Kilpatrick: it fades. The

1538
02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:34.110
John English: Thing. It was awesome.

1539
02:08:34.770 --> 02:08:37.290
John English: So the only Batman in town. It was

1540
02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:40.350
Bill Koeb: Cool.

1541
02:08:40.770 --> 02:08:44.100
John English: And he did. He did a great job with it. Can you imagine that

1542
02:08:44.310 --> 02:08:45.090
Tim Trabon: Yes, yeah.

1543
02:08:45.930 --> 02:08:46.200
Yeah.

1544
02:08:47.790 --> 02:09:00.570
John English: Every year he would paint my sisters in mind, whatever we wanted to be. He would paint our faces and he would spend hours doing it. Of course, we probably 10 or 12 years of our lives from the chemical

1545
02:09:04.770 --> 02:09:05.070
Dale Stephanos: Oil.

1546
02:09:06.540 --> 02:09:07.110
Don Kilpatrick: Related

1547
02:09:07.500 --> 02:09:07.920
The

1548
02:09:10.560 --> 02:09:13.080
Tim Trabon: Halloween that much more wild.

1549
02:09:13.560 --> 02:09:18.960
John English: It was great. If you go and research and look at like the Wyatt Family what they did. I mean,

1550
02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:20.790
Dale Stephanos: You know, serious

1551
02:09:21.570 --> 02:09:24.630
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, yeah, it was a it was a major holiday there.

1552
02:09:24.930 --> 02:09:27.150
John English: That was for us to we really liked it.

1553
02:09:28.440 --> 02:09:29.010
John English: Enjoyed it.

1554
02:09:31.440 --> 02:09:34.440
John English: But it had to be you had to make your casting. That was the cool part.

1555
02:09:34.770 --> 02:09:35.040
Yeah.

1556
02:09:38.640 --> 02:09:42.240
Tim Trabon: I've never been a by a by by the costume person.

1557
02:09:43.230 --> 02:09:45.030
Don Kilpatrick: Maybe, yeah.

1558
02:09:46.920 --> 02:09:56.460
Bill Koeb: When I was a kid, one year, I am I had my parents by me and Safari hat and my mom put a fake mustache on me that I was I was Clark Gable

1559
02:09:59.130 --> 02:09:59.880
Bill Koeb: Why

1560
02:10:01.500 --> 02:10:02.370
Bill Koeb: Okay, well,

1561
02:10:02.550 --> 02:10:03.300
John English: That's all you need.

1562
02:10:04.050 --> 02:10:04.470
But

1563
02:10:07.710 --> 02:10:11.340
Tim Trabon: I do. I had one of those years. My mom dress me up as

1564
02:10:13.140 --> 02:10:15.810
Tim Trabon: Many Miami Vice but like

1565
02:10:16.890 --> 02:10:26.010
Tim Trabon: Talk about like a self serving cost like I didn't know who they were friends all my friends like who are you, I'm like, I think it was like Miami ice like

1566
02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:27.300
Tim Trabon: Yeah, like

1567
02:10:27.360 --> 02:10:28.020
It.

1568
02:10:31.500 --> 02:10:42.990
Tim Trabon: Yeah, I got my buddy. Well, no. Well Linden Linden Linden dressed up as a NASCAR fan and because his kid wanted to be a NASCAR car.

1569
02:10:43.890 --> 02:10:55.260
Tim Trabon: So he was like, I'm going to dress up as NASCAR fan and it it'd been Linden his costume is so great. I was like, I just, I looked at it was like your kid looks like your prop.

1570
02:10:58.680 --> 02:11:00.240
You know, yeah.

1571
02:11:01.770 --> 02:11:02.640
Bill Koeb: I love seeing

1572
02:11:03.870 --> 02:11:07.980
Bill Koeb: Photos of Halloween from like the 40s and 50s.

1573
02:11:09.780 --> 02:11:15.660
Bill Koeb: The costumes before the end the 60s before the sort of store bought costumes came in.

1574
02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:17.310
Don Kilpatrick: Know, yeah.

1575
02:11:18.120 --> 02:11:18.780
Bill Koeb: They just

1576
02:11:21.420 --> 02:11:22.470
Bill Koeb: So cool.

1577
02:11:24.060 --> 02:11:27.630
Don Kilpatrick: Well then you have those old vintage postcards that that

1578
02:11:28.680 --> 02:11:33.120
Don Kilpatrick: Will have kids, posing together and talk about some of those can look really creepy.

1579
02:11:33.600 --> 02:11:38.760
Bill Koeb: Have you seen the Ralph meet yard photos of kids in Halloween masks.

1580
02:11:39.810 --> 02:11:40.440
Don Kilpatrick: Um,

1581
02:11:40.800 --> 02:11:41.850
Bill Koeb: You know, that is

1582
02:11:42.150 --> 02:11:43.140
Don Kilpatrick: Not familiar

1583
02:11:43.200 --> 02:11:48.300
Bill Koeb: No big meat yard, um, let me let me pull it up.

1584
02:12:08.220 --> 02:12:10.080
Bill Koeb: I'm going to post a link in just a second.

1585
02:12:11.850 --> 02:12:15.810
Tim Trabon: Somebody asked a legitimately good question a while ago.

1586
02:12:18.240 --> 02:12:35.550
Tim Trabon: I have a question from Montana, Amanda. Sorry if I'm pronouncing your name wrong. Do you have any suggestions about how to get better drawing the human anatomy from imagination. Any ROI resources or books to help with that. Oh, yeah.

1587
02:12:35.910 --> 02:12:36.330
Yeah.

1588
02:12:37.530 --> 02:12:38.040
Don Kilpatrick: I mean,

1589
02:12:40.140 --> 02:12:41.820
John English: Don't do it from imagination.

1590
02:12:42.180 --> 02:12:44.190
Bill Koeb: Well, from draw from

1591
02:12:45.720 --> 02:12:47.370
John English: Drawing from life dropped from

1592
02:12:48.150 --> 02:12:50.970
John English: Learning Academy then dropped from imagine it.

1593
02:12:50.970 --> 02:12:53.610
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, yeah, that's the way it gets into your imagination.

1594
02:12:54.120 --> 02:12:57.540
John English: Dry yourself. You have to inform yourself.

1595
02:12:57.900 --> 02:12:58.320
Yeah.

1596
02:12:59.610 --> 02:13:00.060
Yeah.

1597
02:13:02.430 --> 02:13:04.290
Don Kilpatrick: There are a couple of really great books.

1598
02:13:05.730 --> 02:13:08.700
Don Kilpatrick: That I would if I was to recommend. I mean, there's, there's

1599
02:13:10.440 --> 02:13:17.940
Don Kilpatrick: Steve Houston has a really terrific book on figure drawing and he really breaks down form in a really interesting way.

1600
02:13:19.950 --> 02:13:28.560
Don Kilpatrick: I definitely would recommend that book. I can't recall the title right off the top of my head, but there's also drawing comics. The Marvel way.

1601
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:30.180
Dale Stephanos: Oh, yeah, yeah.

1602
02:13:30.990 --> 02:13:31.920
Dale Stephanos: Oh, I was

1603
02:13:33.090 --> 02:13:35.880
Bill Koeb: A great perspective. Yeah.

1604
02:13:36.900 --> 02:13:41.010
Don Kilpatrick: I just, you know, it's one of those go to CLASSICS, YOU KNOW. YEAH.

1605
02:13:55.650 --> 02:14:03.120
Bill Koeb: There's also on. I mean, nowadays. There's photo resources online for learning to draw,

1606
02:14:03.570 --> 02:14:04.260
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, yeah.

1607
02:14:04.410 --> 02:14:07.320
Bill Koeb: He told me that didn't exist when we were younger.

1608
02:14:08.160 --> 02:14:23.040
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, I think there's a, a, well, I know you know there's especially with with younger people, I think there's this emphasis on if you're not drawing it from your imagination, then you know you're not

1609
02:14:24.120 --> 02:14:30.930
Dale Stephanos: You're not really a good artist or something like that. And it's really, you get there by by repetition.

1610
02:14:31.500 --> 02:14:39.900
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, and you start the repetition by looking at actual people. There's nothing wrong with actually going to the source.

1611
02:14:41.820 --> 02:14:47.010
Bill Koeb: Yeah, I mean, drawing, you know, drawing from an informed point of view.

1612
02:14:48.570 --> 02:14:51.300
Bill Koeb: I mean, I just look at my sketchbooks before I went to art school

1613
02:14:52.530 --> 02:14:59.580
Bill Koeb: And after I went to art school and one was from, you know, drawing from comic books and drawing out of my head.

1614
02:15:00.630 --> 02:15:04.560
Bill Koeb: And the other head, you know, four or five years of figure drawing

1615
02:15:05.790 --> 02:15:06.510
Bill Koeb: In form in it.

1616
02:15:08.340 --> 02:15:10.230
Tim Trabon: Well, you know, you know, the idea of

1617
02:15:11.700 --> 02:15:16.230
Tim Trabon: The pride that is associated with, you know, not drawing from reference

1618
02:15:16.410 --> 02:15:17.220
Dale Stephanos: Um, yeah.

1619
02:15:17.670 --> 02:15:34.740
Tim Trabon: I think it's a really interesting thing to me because I'm kind of like a hip hop head and I feel like there's the same energy as as a non drawing person right there's the same energy and hip hop behind freestyle rapping as

1620
02:15:34.890 --> 02:15:48.000
Tim Trabon: Well, yeah, and you're kind of like I as a listener. I personally am like I as long as the, the, you know, the quality and the content and it makes me think, I don't really care.

1621
02:15:48.060 --> 02:15:48.510
Dale Stephanos: If I

1622
02:15:49.500 --> 02:15:50.880
Tim Trabon: Don't care how we get there.

1623
02:15:51.090 --> 02:15:51.720
Don Kilpatrick: Um,

1624
02:15:52.020 --> 02:15:56.640
Tim Trabon: You know, but I have always thought of that, that this there's this

1625
02:15:57.690 --> 02:16:01.920
Tim Trabon: There's this like weird badge of yeah just came up with it.

1626
02:16:02.730 --> 02:16:04.770
Dale Stephanos: Right. And you know, that's

1627
02:16:04.830 --> 02:16:06.240
Dale Stephanos: BS because you know the OH.

1628
02:16:06.240 --> 02:16:08.340
Tim Trabon: My God, little. Little Wayne is like

1629
02:16:08.520 --> 02:16:13.950
Tim Trabon: He is the one guy who is always saying he just came up with it in the booth and you're

1630
02:16:16.080 --> 02:16:18.930
Tim Trabon: Too good just let it be good.

1631
02:16:19.200 --> 02:16:23.790
Dale Stephanos: Well, he might have just come up with it, but it's it's it's like doing thumbnails.

1632
02:16:23.970 --> 02:16:25.290
Tim Trabon: You know, yeah.

1633
02:16:25.440 --> 02:16:34.350
Dale Stephanos: He's been he's done that many, many times. And maybe that particular maybe one line popped out or a few lines popped up. But that was born from

1634
02:16:34.980 --> 02:16:48.870
Tim Trabon: So many years. Oh yeah, lots of work. Totally, yeah. It's not like right i don't know i just for whatever reason, I was. It's kind of a thumbs up. And I was just like, feels like kind of a parallel where it's kind of like, maybe not.

1635
02:16:50.610 --> 02:16:52.050
Tim Trabon: The thing to stress about

1636
02:16:53.340 --> 02:16:53.820
I don't know.

1637
02:16:55.230 --> 02:17:09.390
Tim Trabon: comedians are like that kind of to there's a few comedians that kind of they just like stand up. They just think they want set and they just start to riff, but then there. I think Chris Rock is like a great example like he

1638
02:17:11.130 --> 02:17:16.980
Tim Trabon: Like it is a stage performance that he has practiced a million times.

1639
02:17:17.010 --> 02:17:20.460
Bill Koeb: Before his big show. Yeah.

1640
02:17:20.790 --> 02:17:40.650
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, well, a lot of the great ones go and work things out. That's like, that's how you I'm just so impressed by comedians who, you know, are really comfortable with. Okay, that didn't get a laugh. Let's see, what else do we do you know just move on.

1641
02:17:42.690 --> 02:17:44.190
Dale Stephanos: That's just so impressive to me.

1642
02:17:44.220 --> 02:17:49.890
Tim Trabon: My, my friend, and our model Christopher went to the Comedy Cellar when he was

1643
02:17:50.910 --> 02:17:52.980
Tim Trabon: Living in New York, and he saw

1644
02:17:54.930 --> 02:17:59.880
Tim Trabon: I'm trying to remember the lineup. It was Chris Rock Dave Chappelle

1645
02:18:01.770 --> 02:18:06.090
Tim Trabon: And like two other like major names.

1646
02:18:06.180 --> 02:18:09.090
Tim Trabon: Well, perform in front of like 35 people

1647
02:18:09.150 --> 02:18:10.800
Dale Stephanos: That's awesome, right, and

1648
02:18:10.860 --> 02:18:21.540
Tim Trabon: And yeah, but he said, and it didn't make any sense until like a couple years later, I saw an interview with Chris Rock, but he said it was so weird. Chris Rock went up on

1649
02:18:22.800 --> 02:18:39.450
Tim Trabon: On went up on stage and just like had his phone out and just listen the phone and just read the jokes with no he didn't like a moat, and he didn't he, you know, like Chris Rock is like one of the more animated performers. I

1650
02:18:39.660 --> 02:18:40.440
Tim Trabon: Just read them.

1651
02:18:41.340 --> 02:18:42.570
Tim Trabon: Like with a flat tone.

1652
02:18:43.800 --> 02:18:51.360
Tim Trabon: And everybody was kind of like, but it was still like the content was Chris Rock like contents, it was hilarious.

1653
02:18:51.870 --> 02:19:00.390
Tim Trabon: And I saw an interview of Chris Rock, like, a year later I sent it to him, I was like oh my god this wow you got to see this happen. Chris Rock when he's like testing is material.

1654
02:19:00.780 --> 02:19:10.410
Tim Trabon: Because he is Chris Rock. He's like, I get applauded. And I guess this is probably something any iconic artists runs into is like I get applauded for no matter what I do.

1655
02:19:10.680 --> 02:19:11.730
Tim Trabon: It's hard to know.

1656
02:19:11.910 --> 02:19:17.940
Tim Trabon: It's hard to know if it's actually good now because literally all I gotta say is, like, Hey, I'm Chris Rock and I get like an applause

1657
02:19:18.030 --> 02:19:18.720
Dale Stephanos: Yeah.

1658
02:19:19.080 --> 02:19:30.570
Tim Trabon: And he's like, so I go out and I say, with no I don't play it up at all. And he's like, if people laughed, and I know it's funny because it's funny, without me even saying it.

1659
02:19:31.860 --> 02:19:32.880
Tim Trabon: Is really interesting

1660
02:19:33.240 --> 02:19:35.130
Dale Stephanos: It's funny that you like, that was actually

1661
02:19:35.160 --> 02:19:37.110
Dale Stephanos: Talking and rights act right

1662
02:19:37.590 --> 02:19:38.130
Tim Trabon: Was it

1663
02:19:38.700 --> 02:19:40.830
Dale Stephanos: Well, he had such a flat ethic that

1664
02:19:41.220 --> 02:19:41.820
Don Kilpatrick: Mm hmm.

1665
02:19:42.240 --> 02:19:43.140
Dale Stephanos: Do you know, Stephen. Right.

1666
02:19:44.130 --> 02:19:44.850
Bill Koeb: Yeah yeah

1667
02:19:45.630 --> 02:19:45.900
Dale Stephanos: Yeah.

1668
02:19:45.930 --> 02:19:47.700
Dale Stephanos: Just knew that pan is hell.

1669
02:19:50.610 --> 02:20:03.690
Dale Stephanos: So I guess it's, it's probably the same thing. Like if people would laugh along with that. Yeah. You know, it was funny. That's interesting. I didn't know. I didn't know he I know he worked out like that, but I didn't know he he just, he just did cold, you know,

1670
02:20:04.620 --> 02:20:11.220
Tim Trabon: Just knowing I think he ends up with a room of people who are like dang, I thought I was gonna get to see Chris Rock.

1671
02:20:14.040 --> 02:20:15.390
John English: Watch the Chris, I mean,

1672
02:20:16.680 --> 02:20:18.720
John English: It was, it was awesome. IT'S ABOUT THE COMEDY STORE.

1673
02:20:20.130 --> 02:20:21.210
Dale Stephanos: Want to see that was good.

1674
02:20:22.920 --> 02:20:23.160
Tim Trabon: Yeah.

1675
02:20:23.940 --> 02:20:26.940
John English: And, you know, everybody in Chris Rock says it, he said.

1676
02:20:27.990 --> 02:20:29.760
John English: Prior was the king and

1677
02:20:30.090 --> 02:20:33.540
John English: That you would come in here and just bomb.

1678
02:20:34.290 --> 02:20:34.830
John English: And just

1679
02:20:35.190 --> 02:20:43.710
John English: Take the abuse and make it better, just keep coming back. The next night, he said in a month. He said he would go through five or four or five weeks.

1680
02:20:44.310 --> 02:20:49.920
John English: This progression. It would be the same materially started with, but his delivery was different.

1681
02:20:50.730 --> 02:21:02.070
John English: And just slight adjustments and he said, by the time he was done it was killer, but it would just be he would just go up and bomb on the first night and just, okay, that's part of the process. Now, next thing.

1682
02:21:02.550 --> 02:21:05.580
Tim Trabon: JOHN We were at the Comedy Cellar and one person bombed.

1683
02:21:06.630 --> 02:21:07.890
Tim Trabon: It was so great because

1684
02:21:09.090 --> 02:21:13.770
Tim Trabon: The only laughter. You can hear when someone is bombing. There are the comedians.

1685
02:21:14.790 --> 02:21:17.430
Tim Trabon: That have just come off stage in the back of the room.

1686
02:21:17.550 --> 02:21:23.220
Tim Trabon: They mean the guy bombs cuz like I think that there's nothing like to watch more. Yeah.

1687
02:21:23.910 --> 02:21:24.750
Dale Stephanos: That's awesome.

1688
02:21:24.840 --> 02:21:25.320
I mean,

1689
02:21:28.260 --> 02:21:36.540
Tim Trabon: That was, that was probably one of the more I think about getting to go to that place and see a show there. And that was probably one of my favorite things I've ever done.

1690
02:21:37.620 --> 02:21:48.420
Tim Trabon: And and it was so surreal, because there's only like 30 or 40 people in the room on like a weeknight and you like we saw like someone perform

1691
02:21:48.480 --> 02:21:50.310
Tim Trabon: Like oh yeah like

1692
02:21:50.430 --> 02:21:51.360
Don Kilpatrick: Big names.

1693
02:21:51.450 --> 02:21:52.140
Don Kilpatrick: In entertainment.

1694
02:21:52.740 --> 02:21:53.820
judah friedlander

1695
02:21:55.320 --> 02:21:58.170
Don Kilpatrick: Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

1696
02:22:00.450 --> 02:22:06.390
Tim Trabon: It's a, it's a really, I want to watch. I haven't watched the documentary, but I really want to watch it because it's it's a fast.

1697
02:22:06.420 --> 02:22:09.210
Dale Stephanos: I saw a Louis CK there and

1698
02:22:10.980 --> 02:22:11.850
Tim Trabon: Scandal noted

1699
02:22:13.590 --> 02:22:15.600
Tim Trabon: I said asterisk scandal noted

1700
02:22:17.310 --> 02:22:18.720
Dale Stephanos: Oh, it was before. Yeah, it was.

1701
02:22:18.780 --> 02:22:19.590
Yeah.

1702
02:22:20.970 --> 02:22:28.800
Dale Stephanos: It was. Same thing, though he was kind of working stuff up with him. He was working stuff out, or if he was just that was the thing he was doing, you know,

1703
02:22:32.430 --> 02:22:40.500
Don Kilpatrick: You know i i saw Patton Oswalt out in San Francisco of quite a few years ago, and I, I, I laughed so hard. I was just hurting

1704
02:22:40.950 --> 02:22:41.730
Bill Koeb: So funny.

1705
02:22:42.180 --> 02:22:58.830
Don Kilpatrick: Well, he and I think he did a few he did a few shows out there at the time he was doing the voiceover for Ratatouille and a couple of my friends that were at Pixar were just like they just, you know, he would, he would try stuff out with them and he would do a lot of just impromptu

1706
02:22:59.880 --> 02:23:05.970
Don Kilpatrick: Stand up with them while he was there working and they just, they were like, we could hardly ever get anything done.

1707
02:23:07.560 --> 02:23:07.950
Bill Koeb: Awesome.

1708
02:23:10.410 --> 02:23:10.770
John English: Man.

1709
02:23:13.260 --> 02:23:13.980
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, guys.

1710
02:23:18.780 --> 02:23:25.380
Don Kilpatrick: I don't know if you've seen his latest special it's I think it's on Netflix. It just is. It's crazy.

1711
02:23:25.740 --> 02:23:26.190
Yeah.

1712
02:23:28.470 --> 02:23:28.920
Bill Koeb: Yeah.

1713
02:23:31.020 --> 02:23:38.400
Bill Koeb: You know, it's funny, as I follow both him and his wife on Twitter and Instagram and stuff and

1714
02:23:40.470 --> 02:23:43.050
Bill Koeb: There's a story that he tells about

1715
02:23:44.160 --> 02:23:46.200
Bill Koeb: jogging or hiking.

1716
02:23:47.040 --> 02:23:50.520
Bill Koeb: Mm hmm. You know, leaving the house angry and hiking.

1717
02:23:52.590 --> 02:23:55.500
Bill Koeb: But then they share her side of that story.

1718
02:23:58.080 --> 02:24:00.780
Don Kilpatrick: You know he did his side of that story on this special

1719
02:24:01.230 --> 02:24:10.410
Don Kilpatrick: Yes, yeah and and i don't think you know you. I mean, she wasn't there for that. But yeah, it's that is sleep funny.

1720
02:24:10.740 --> 02:24:17.310
Bill Koeb: I won't. Yeah, it's really, it's hilarious. And then she shares her side of the story and it's equally as funny too so

1721
02:24:20.400 --> 02:24:20.820
Yeah.

1722
02:24:22.080 --> 02:24:25.110
Don Kilpatrick: Because it wasn't one of their first major arguments or something like

1723
02:24:25.170 --> 02:24:26.400
Bill Koeb: Oh, yeah, yeah.

1724
02:24:30.810 --> 02:24:33.510
John English: Well, we've come. I think we hit the end of the pose.

1725
02:24:36.000 --> 02:24:36.900
Dale Stephanos: At the pose wall.

1726
02:24:40.650 --> 02:24:41.160
Tim Trabon: All right.

1727
02:24:43.860 --> 02:24:46.710
Tim Trabon: Wow, I hope everybody's been posting their work.

1728
02:24:50.700 --> 02:24:54.930
Tim Trabon: If you're thinking about posing it you're not sure you're like, I don't know, you should

1729
02:24:55.170 --> 02:24:56.580
Bill Koeb: Post it post it.

1730
02:24:58.020 --> 02:24:58.470
Do it.

1731
02:25:01.350 --> 02:25:06.570
Tim Trabon: I know you're not sure if you're wondering, is it good enough posts that you should post it.

1732
02:25:07.740 --> 02:25:08.700
Tim Trabon: It's good enough, post it.

1733
02:25:08.760 --> 02:25:09.330
Yeah.

1734
02:25:12.720 --> 02:25:13.590
Don Kilpatrick: We'd love to see it.

1735
02:25:15.930 --> 02:25:19.050
Bill Koeb: Well I invited some my Tuesday night students here. So I hope they

1736
02:25:21.420 --> 02:25:22.140
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, great.

1737
02:25:22.500 --> 02:25:23.310
Bill Koeb: Okay, showed up.

1738
02:25:27.180 --> 02:25:30.210
John English: I invited some of my Saturday students here, Dale.

1739
02:25:31.110 --> 02:25:34.410
Dale Stephanos: Oh, those guys. She's they must be exhausted.

1740
02:25:36.630 --> 02:25:37.380
John English: Hard nothing

1741
02:25:37.710 --> 02:25:39.630
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, it's really inspiring.

1742
02:25:41.940 --> 02:25:44.400
Bill Koeb: You guys to get started back up with the Wednesday night.

1743
02:25:49.980 --> 02:25:51.060
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, the famous study

1744
02:25:51.420 --> 02:25:51.930
Bill Koeb: Hall. Yeah.

1745
02:25:52.920 --> 02:25:55.800
John English: Yeah, I was doing study all til 1015 last night.

1746
02:25:58.200 --> 02:25:58.530
Don Kilpatrick: Wow.

1747
02:25:58.830 --> 02:26:00.990
Dale Stephanos: Oh, you lost it. And you were in there for another hour

1748
02:26:02.850 --> 02:26:07.110
John English: We're different time zone. Yeah, we were there about yeah pretty close to it.

1749
02:26:07.200 --> 02:26:09.870
Dale Stephanos: Yeah, cuz I got out of there. It was like 1030

1750
02:26:10.650 --> 02:26:15.570
John English: Yeah, I think, I think so. It was 45 minutes more.

1751
02:26:16.050 --> 02:26:17.040
Dale Stephanos: There's some good stuff there.

1752
02:26:17.280 --> 02:26:18.390
John English: Are some great stuff. They're

1753
02:26:20.430 --> 02:26:22.440
Bill Koeb: All stopped by sometime soon.

1754
02:26:23.340 --> 02:26:24.750
John English: I love seeing what they do.

1755
02:26:25.230 --> 02:26:31.800
John English: Yeah, let's see. I love seeing all the classes together. That's like, that's like really inspiring to me.

1756
02:26:37.890 --> 02:26:40.650
John English: Alright, so we want to bounce around the room or

1757
02:26:41.010 --> 02:26:43.650
Tim Trabon: Yeah, you know, I'm actually kind of been doing it so

1758
02:26:45.450 --> 02:26:47.730
We'll take one last stop by everybody.

1759
02:26:49.320 --> 02:26:52.950
Tim Trabon: Montalvo. Yeah, we see that closer. That's awesome.

1760
02:26:53.310 --> 02:26:55.110
Tim Trabon: That's cool.

1761
02:26:55.410 --> 02:26:57.300
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, it's nice. Great.

1762
02:26:58.140 --> 02:26:58.530
Montalvo Machado: Frame it

1763
02:27:04.950 --> 02:27:05.250
Tim Trabon: This

1764
02:27:05.880 --> 02:27:16.050
Montalvo Machado: was funny because this, this image. Got a lot of energy and you know movement lines and stuff. Yeah, try to you know get some caricature out of it.

1765
02:27:17.910 --> 02:27:20.610
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, nice. No thanks.

1766
02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:24.480
Tim Trabon: Cool.

1767
02:27:25.290 --> 02:27:26.070
John English: That's nice.

1768
02:27:26.790 --> 02:27:28.230
Montalvo Machado: works both ways. Thanks.

1769
02:27:29.010 --> 02:27:30.930
Don Kilpatrick: THANK YOU, JOHN

1770
02:27:33.630 --> 02:27:34.950
Dale Stephanos: It looks nothing like this woman.

1771
02:27:35.550 --> 02:27:36.180
John English: No, I don't.

1772
02:27:36.510 --> 02:27:36.660
Montalvo Machado: Think

1773
02:27:37.140 --> 02:27:38.460
John English: I ever from the other view.

1774
02:27:40.650 --> 02:27:42.030
John English: Imagination. What you would be

1775
02:27:42.030 --> 02:27:42.360
Coming.

1776
02:27:45.600 --> 02:27:45.870
Tim Trabon: Out with

1777
02:27:50.460 --> 02:27:51.840
John English: I can't concentrate you

1778
02:27:53.520 --> 02:27:54.000
Bill Koeb: Alex, great.

1779
02:27:55.980 --> 02:27:57.210
Tim Trabon: Let's check out some artwork.

1780
02:27:57.900 --> 02:27:58.830
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, for sure.

1781
02:28:00.420 --> 02:28:03.210
John English: I forgot to me. Your, your may

1782
02:28:04.950 --> 02:28:06.180
Tim Trabon: Be great if you could do it.

1783
02:28:06.840 --> 02:28:07.260
Okay.

1784
02:28:08.400 --> 02:28:09.330
John English: Give me one second.

1785
02:28:09.750 --> 02:28:11.460
Tim Trabon: You also do it and not like

1786
02:28:12.870 --> 02:28:15.000
Tim Trabon: Share your social security number.

1787
02:28:18.450 --> 02:28:18.570
Tim Trabon: I

1788
02:28:19.590 --> 02:28:20.340
Tim Trabon: CAN'T PROMISE.

1789
02:28:21.270 --> 02:28:22.440
John English: Making no promises.

1790
02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:23.160
John English: But I'm gonna do it.

1791
02:28:30.480 --> 02:28:32.520
John English: I'm opening it before I share it.

1792
02:28:33.060 --> 02:28:36.840
Tim Trabon: That's always good. That's that should be standard policy.

1793
02:28:57.810 --> 02:28:58.290
John English: Here we go.

1794
02:29:03.900 --> 02:29:05.940
John English: Everybody saying yeah

1795
02:29:07.980 --> 02:29:08.160
John English: Star.

1796
02:29:12.630 --> 02:29:13.830
What do I need to do here.

1797
02:29:17.940 --> 02:29:19.590
Tim Trabon: Oh no hashtags.

1798
02:29:20.730 --> 02:29:21.630
Tim Trabon: Barely.

1799
02:29:22.620 --> 02:29:26.610
Tim Trabon: That yeah Donald Trump had to ruin one

1800
02:29:26.670 --> 02:29:28.800
John English: Let's go to, let's go to Facebook and wonder if it's

1801
02:29:29.100 --> 02:29:29.820
Tim Trabon: A Facebook.

1802
02:29:30.270 --> 02:29:32.700
Don Kilpatrick: No, no, it won't be the same on Facebook.

1803
02:29:33.390 --> 02:29:33.840
I

1804
02:29:35.430 --> 02:29:36.750
Tim Trabon: Apparently I

1805
02:29:37.920 --> 02:29:41.850
Tim Trabon: I sorry. I should have done some research. I should have known about that ahead of time.

1806
02:29:43.440 --> 02:29:44.010
Dale Stephanos: What was it wasn't

1807
02:29:45.150 --> 02:29:50.580
Tim Trabon: I George is using illustration isolation to spread a bunch of false information.

1808
02:29:52.650 --> 02:29:53.070
Tim Trabon: So they

1809
02:29:53.460 --> 02:29:54.570
Don Kilpatrick: Were raised tonight.

1810
02:29:54.750 --> 02:29:59.580
Tim Trabon: No, I think that they're trying to control some hashtags. And I'm wondering if maybe somebody

1811
02:30:00.690 --> 02:30:03.570
Tim Trabon: Somebody ruin the fun by posting something not true.

1812
02:30:06.390 --> 02:30:09.120
Tim Trabon: I know you would think that our hashtag wouldn't get a

1813
02:30:10.530 --> 02:30:15.360
Tim Trabon: Wouldn't be we wouldn't find ourselves in the center of a political drama.

1814
02:30:16.740 --> 02:30:17.550
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, here we go.

1815
02:30:17.970 --> 02:30:19.710
Tim Trabon: Well looking nice. This'll work.

1816
02:30:20.130 --> 02:30:21.780
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, here we go. Right.

1817
02:30:22.290 --> 02:30:24.570
Tim Trabon: Sorry, everybody. You posted to Instagram, but

1818
02:30:26.910 --> 02:30:27.360
And

1819
02:30:29.070 --> 02:30:30.390
Tim Trabon: Things we can't control.

1820
02:30:30.900 --> 02:30:31.590
Nice.

1821
02:30:33.450 --> 02:30:33.780
Dale Stephanos: Oh,

1822
02:30:34.350 --> 02:30:34.920
John English: Oh, Randy.

1823
02:30:35.190 --> 02:30:37.320
really handy. Yeah.

1824
02:30:40.380 --> 02:30:41.040
John English: Roberto

1825
02:30:42.600 --> 02:30:43.290
John English: still mad at you.

1826
02:30:48.360 --> 02:30:49.800
Bill Koeb: Nice. That's cool.

1827
02:30:54.120 --> 02:30:55.170
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, nice.

1828
02:30:56.370 --> 02:30:56.910
Bill Koeb: Wow.

1829
02:30:59.010 --> 02:30:59.640
Very fine.

1830
02:31:03.870 --> 02:31:04.230
Don Kilpatrick: Hey,

1831
02:31:07.140 --> 02:31:07.560
Bill Koeb: Gary

1832
02:31:08.610 --> 02:31:09.330
Bill Koeb: Oh, that's cool.

1833
02:31:09.960 --> 02:31:10.620
Yeah.

1834
02:31:16.020 --> 02:31:16.830
nice gesture.

1835
02:31:28.650 --> 02:31:29.730
John English: All in one page.

1836
02:31:31.980 --> 02:31:32.760
Don Kilpatrick: Hey Jonathan

1837
02:31:38.460 --> 02:31:40.890
John English: Jonathan was in study all with us late last night.

1838
02:31:41.700 --> 02:31:42.630
Don Kilpatrick: No. Awesome.

1839
02:31:45.000 --> 02:31:45.780
John English: Show it has

1840
02:31:46.920 --> 02:31:48.840
John English: PCs doing for Sterling always class.

1841
02:31:50.160 --> 02:31:51.750
John English: That's great. That's nice try.

1842
02:31:52.830 --> 02:31:54.600
Bill Koeb: Yeah. Oh, very nice.

1843
02:31:59.490 --> 02:31:59.820
Cool.

1844
02:32:02.670 --> 02:32:04.110
John English: I can tell that was Brian's

1845
02:32:05.160 --> 02:32:10.830
John English: It's not green. But I could still tell it was he uses that he's been he's changing

1846
02:32:10.860 --> 02:32:12.120
Tim Trabon: Our yellow green

1847
02:32:15.300 --> 02:32:15.600
Dale Stephanos: Wall.

1848
02:32:16.290 --> 02:32:19.920
John English: Occasion to Brian because the work is excellent. Yeah.

1849
02:32:21.210 --> 02:32:23.550
John English: Oh, nice. Oh yeah, that's great.

1850
02:32:25.620 --> 02:32:26.130
Bill Koeb: That's cool.

1851
02:32:34.500 --> 02:32:34.980
Don Kilpatrick: Nice.

1852
02:32:38.190 --> 02:32:38.820
Very cool.

1853
02:32:40.860 --> 02:32:42.150
Tim Trabon: Well, very good hit the playback.

1854
02:32:42.540 --> 02:32:43.770
Let's see, that's cool.

1855
02:32:46.230 --> 02:32:47.670
Tim Trabon: Do it hit the

1856
02:32:49.500 --> 02:32:50.250
John English: Appropriate

1857
02:32:52.560 --> 02:32:54.210
Don Kilpatrick: Time lapse. All right.

1858
02:32:55.260 --> 02:32:56.070
Tim Trabon: Nice.

1859
02:32:59.760 --> 02:33:00.030
John English: Nice.

1860
02:33:00.540 --> 02:33:03.840
Tim Trabon: I love this. I love these classes that people are putting together.

1861
02:33:05.880 --> 02:33:09.600
John English: Yeah I joke with George he sends them to me all the time.

1862
02:33:10.650 --> 02:33:13.110
John English: Can you just send me the finish. I don't want to know how you got

1863
02:33:16.800 --> 02:33:17.160
Montalvo Machado: Yeah.

1864
02:33:17.340 --> 02:33:18.210
John English: That's really nice.

1865
02:33:18.630 --> 02:33:19.200
Tim Trabon: That's cool.

1866
02:33:19.620 --> 02:33:23.550
John English: Very cool. Awesome. Thanks. Thank you for doing that.

1867
02:33:29.220 --> 02:33:30.360
John English: That's a whispered smile.

1868
02:33:31.500 --> 02:33:32.820
Tim Trabon: Oh, cool.

1869
02:33:34.560 --> 02:33:36.180
John English: I lost it right when I said that

1870
02:33:37.290 --> 02:33:38.640
John English: I missed the arrow. Hold on.

1871
02:33:39.690 --> 02:33:40.350
Don Kilpatrick: There we go.

1872
02:33:40.770 --> 02:33:41.370
Marianne.

1873
02:33:43.110 --> 02:33:43.800
Don Kilpatrick: That's great.

1874
02:33:46.440 --> 02:33:47.040
Nice.

1875
02:33:53.190 --> 02:33:55.020
John English: That's fun. Nice, Jonathan.

1876
02:33:55.350 --> 02:33:57.480
Bill Koeb: Yeah. That's very cool.

1877
02:33:58.860 --> 02:33:59.610
Don Kilpatrick: Well that energy

1878
02:34:00.030 --> 02:34:03.420
John English: Hey Jonathan, I don't want you to turn that in for daily exercise or anything.

1879
02:34:07.110 --> 02:34:09.060
John English: You're more than you should. That's

1880
02:34:10.530 --> 02:34:12.600
John English: Heather. I spoke with Heather yesterday.

1881
02:34:15.540 --> 02:34:16.020
Others.

1882
02:34:17.130 --> 02:34:18.090
John English: Gotten. Very good.

1883
02:34:21.840 --> 02:34:22.800
Don Kilpatrick: Well, that's great.

1884
02:34:27.420 --> 02:34:27.900
John English: Sharing

1885
02:34:29.790 --> 02:34:32.670
John English: I really liked your, your value control on that. It's excellent.

1886
02:34:33.540 --> 02:34:36.870
Tim Trabon: They just everybody to give you an update, they've

1887
02:34:38.850 --> 02:34:43.470
Tim Trabon: They've hit all hashtags on Instagram from recent posts.

1888
02:34:44.070 --> 02:34:45.630
Dale Stephanos: Really really want

1889
02:34:46.830 --> 02:34:49.350
Tim Trabon: Because of the spread of possible false information.

1890
02:34:49.380 --> 02:34:50.490
Don Kilpatrick: But all the election.

1891
02:34:50.670 --> 02:34:53.910
Tim Trabon: You heard it here first illustration. That's what

1892
02:34:54.720 --> 02:34:55.380
Don Kilpatrick: I did not

1893
02:34:56.040 --> 02:34:59.220
Don Kilpatrick: Realize that you you should

1894
02:34:59.250 --> 02:35:01.440
Tim Trabon: Have about a about drawing

1895
02:35:04.920 --> 02:35:07.200
Tim Trabon: Yeah, Dale Instagram is to really

1896
02:35:08.070 --> 02:35:08.460
John English: Feel

1897
02:35:08.940 --> 02:35:12.030
Tim Trabon: Yeah, General general philosophy on illustration

1898
02:35:13.920 --> 02:35:14.730
John English: Like a dog.

1899
02:35:15.270 --> 02:35:16.800
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah, I love that would come feel

1900
02:35:17.730 --> 02:35:18.360
It's nice.

1901
02:35:21.120 --> 02:35:23.010
John English: That's nice, too. Yeah.

1902
02:35:23.070 --> 02:35:23.820
Don Kilpatrick: creative energy

1903
02:35:28.830 --> 02:35:29.190
John English: There.

1904
02:35:30.150 --> 02:35:35.160
Bill Koeb: Well, that's really nice. I'm seeing a post with the illustration isolation hashtag on Instagram.

1905
02:35:35.700 --> 02:35:36.510
Don Kilpatrick: Me really

1906
02:35:37.050 --> 02:35:38.760
Tim Trabon: Yeah, not new.

1907
02:35:39.180 --> 02:35:40.380
John English: It's just my computer.

1908
02:35:41.430 --> 02:35:41.760
Bill Koeb: Right.

1909
02:35:42.150 --> 02:35:43.590
John English: I'm being I'm being censored.

1910
02:35:47.580 --> 02:35:48.930
Don Kilpatrick: The platforms after him.

1911
02:35:49.500 --> 02:35:54.900
Tim Trabon: You know what it is. Bill, they're probably blocking you from people that they think are susceptible like me.

1912
02:35:56.340 --> 02:35:57.660
Tim Trabon: I mean me and john

1913
02:35:59.730 --> 02:36:01.080
Bill Koeb: One. There's another one.

1914
02:36:02.430 --> 02:36:03.090
John English: That's nice.

1915
02:36:03.600 --> 02:36:06.780
John English: Yeah, yeah. Really nice.

1916
02:36:08.370 --> 02:36:09.000
John English: Good drawing

1917
02:36:11.010 --> 02:36:13.380
Tim Trabon: Yeah, well, we'll sort it out later but

1918
02:36:14.340 --> 02:36:15.570
Don Kilpatrick: All right. Hey,

1919
02:36:15.900 --> 02:36:16.620
John English: Listen, he

1920
02:36:17.730 --> 02:36:18.510
Don Kilpatrick: Looking great

1921
02:36:20.460 --> 02:36:21.120
Bill Koeb: That's cool.

1922
02:36:21.330 --> 02:36:24.630
John English: She did one last week I I'm still thinking about

1923
02:36:26.160 --> 02:36:27.390
John English: It's just amazing.

1924
02:36:28.170 --> 02:36:31.590
Tim Trabon: Don't watch the exorcist until you're at least 14

1925
02:36:35.670 --> 02:36:37.410
Don Kilpatrick: You can even wait longer if you want

1926
02:36:37.830 --> 02:36:38.790
Tim Trabon: Yeah yeah

1927
02:36:44.880 --> 02:36:47.250
John English: Someday I'll tell you my Linda Blair story, Timmy.

1928
02:36:47.400 --> 02:36:48.240
Tim Trabon: But now oh my

1929
02:36:50.670 --> 02:36:53.070
John English: Wow. She grew up in the town I grew up in

1930
02:36:53.490 --> 02:36:56.010
John English: No. Okay. Yep, no way.

1931
02:36:56.910 --> 02:36:59.130
John English: Serious. Yep, we're same age.

1932
02:37:08.580 --> 02:37:09.150
Bill Koeb: That's cool.

1933
02:37:11.190 --> 02:37:11.610
Nice.

1934
02:37:16.470 --> 02:37:20.160
John English: Very good. I like that the head in his hands.

1935
02:37:22.950 --> 02:37:25.170
John English: No, no, no, discuss their

1936
02:37:27.360 --> 02:37:27.990
That's fine.

1937
02:37:29.160 --> 02:37:31.290
Tim Trabon: Some Halloween Halloween themed

1938
02:37:37.470 --> 02:37:39.330
John English: Mentioned on the last one. It was there too.

1939
02:37:40.020 --> 02:37:41.580
John English: I missed it, or their

1940
02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:43.080
Bill Koeb: Head. That's called

1941
02:37:44.190 --> 02:37:45.210
Tim Trabon: Spooky alert.

1942
02:37:45.240 --> 02:37:45.990
John English: Guys missed it.

1943
02:37:46.590 --> 02:37:47.310
Really funny.

1944
02:37:48.630 --> 02:37:49.410
Pretty fun

1945
02:37:59.310 --> 02:38:00.060
Don Kilpatrick: That's cool.

1946
02:38:11.580 --> 02:38:12.390
John English: That's interesting.

1947
02:38:19.110 --> 02:38:19.710
John English: Good Gina

1948
02:38:22.680 --> 02:38:24.270
John English: Guess good oh

1949
02:38:24.510 --> 02:38:25.020
Wow.

1950
02:38:28.410 --> 02:38:29.010
John English: That's fun.

1951
02:38:32.190 --> 02:38:32.430
Montalvo Machado: Well,

1952
02:38:32.700 --> 02:38:35.730
John English: I got a really nice feeling like mood in that

1953
02:38:38.010 --> 02:38:39.750
Montalvo Machado: It's simple and complex at the same time.

1954
02:38:40.050 --> 02:38:40.830
John English: Yeah, it is. Yeah.

1955
02:38:42.510 --> 02:38:44.460
Bill Koeb: Like the different direction of the lines and

1956
02:38:44.670 --> 02:38:45.090
Between

1957
02:38:46.380 --> 02:38:49.980
Tim Trabon: It feels like there was really a figure there and he just put light on it.

1958
02:38:50.730 --> 02:38:51.540
Yes. Cool.

1959
02:38:52.650 --> 02:38:53.370
John English: Very nice.

1960
02:38:57.000 --> 02:38:57.930
John English: Another good one. Randy.

1961
02:39:00.150 --> 02:39:03.240
John English: Thanks, Jeremy. Nice. Very nice.

1962
02:39:04.560 --> 02:39:04.950
Don Kilpatrick: Red

1963
02:39:05.820 --> 02:39:06.810
Montalvo Machado: Yeah, very

1964
02:39:06.840 --> 02:39:09.570
Montalvo Machado: Very smart usable read. Yeah.

1965
02:39:09.630 --> 02:39:10.800
Bill Koeb: I like it up in the head to

1966
02:39:11.430 --> 02:39:11.670
Yeah.

1967
02:39:13.140 --> 02:39:14.160
Don Kilpatrick: Oh wow, that's interesting.

1968
02:39:18.330 --> 02:39:19.350
John English: Nice drawings

1969
02:39:20.760 --> 02:39:22.020
John English: Oh, really nice.

1970
02:39:22.260 --> 02:39:22.950
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, that's cool.

1971
02:39:26.790 --> 02:39:28.680
John English: It's like a brad Holland.

1972
02:39:29.250 --> 02:39:30.840
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah yeah

1973
02:39:34.890 --> 02:39:37.650
John English: That's funny. You know, I was gonna say that.

1974
02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:41.010
Don Kilpatrick: Kind about that one. Yeah.

1975
02:39:41.040 --> 02:39:43.020
Don Kilpatrick: Same here. Yeah, I was thinking that, too.

1976
02:39:43.200 --> 02:39:44.580
John English: Was like, well, let's even more.

1977
02:39:45.000 --> 02:39:46.410
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah yeah

1978
02:39:49.830 --> 02:39:50.370
John English: Good.

1979
02:39:53.130 --> 02:39:55.170
John English: That's great, cool. I love these things.

1980
02:39:57.840 --> 02:39:58.470
John English: That's fine.

1981
02:40:15.240 --> 02:40:16.140
Tim Trabon: Now so great.

1982
02:40:17.760 --> 02:40:18.060
Don Kilpatrick: Job.

1983
02:40:18.870 --> 02:40:23.940
Tim Trabon: At the end, but I would say this. I think a few people re posted here.

1984
02:40:24.480 --> 02:40:24.960
John English: Okay.

1985
02:40:24.990 --> 02:40:34.170
Tim Trabon: If you exit out hit refresh. I think we might have just like a few more images I feel bad for people that I don't want us to miss it. Yeah.

1986
02:40:37.410 --> 02:40:44.460
John English: Just, just don't click on the arrow, pretty much, click on anything but the air that's what I'm doing. You've done it before.

1987
02:40:46.500 --> 02:40:47.910
John English: I do it when I don't want to do it.

1988
02:40:49.980 --> 02:40:51.900
Tim Trabon: Click just click behind it.

1989
02:40:52.650 --> 02:40:52.920
Tim Trabon: All right.

1990
02:40:53.880 --> 02:40:54.840
John English: That's, that's great.

1991
02:40:54.900 --> 02:40:55.680
Tim Trabon: On that

1992
02:40:58.050 --> 02:40:58.890
John English: Can say cheese.

1993
02:40:59.520 --> 02:41:01.410
Tim Trabon: Just stop sharing your screen you're

1994
02:41:01.440 --> 02:41:02.310
making me nervous.

1995
02:41:03.540 --> 02:41:06.210
John English: Is going to come out this. Hold on.

1996
02:41:07.020 --> 02:41:07.470
Oh,

1997
02:41:22.170 --> 02:41:23.040
Tim Trabon: My god.

1998
02:41:23.370 --> 02:41:24.510
John English: I don't have anything guy.

1999
02:41:25.560 --> 02:41:28.800
Tim Trabon: Yeah, but we all have things he

2000
02:41:31.050 --> 02:41:32.340
John English: Have anything to be ashamed.

2001
02:41:36.210 --> 02:41:36.600
Okay.

2002
02:41:37.680 --> 02:41:38.490
John English: I gotta go to all

2003
02:41:40.920 --> 02:41:43.110
John English: New stuff right at the top. Yeah.

2004
02:41:48.630 --> 02:41:49.320
Bill Koeb: That's cool.

2005
02:41:51.960 --> 02:41:52.890
Don Kilpatrick: Yeah. Nice.

2006
02:41:54.480 --> 02:41:55.260
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, yeah.

2007
02:41:55.710 --> 02:41:56.400
John English: Very nice.

2008
02:42:01.170 --> 02:42:01.560
John English: Peter

2009
02:42:02.550 --> 02:42:03.090
Tim Trabon: John here.

2010
02:42:04.230 --> 02:42:06.690
Tim Trabon: You're kind of Evil Knievel desktop.

2011
02:42:17.430 --> 02:42:18.540
John English: I like go out

2012
02:42:19.260 --> 02:42:19.920
Tim Trabon: And so

2013
02:42:23.880 --> 02:42:25.050
It's gonna be a splat

2014
02:42:27.810 --> 02:42:28.890
Tim Trabon: Broadcast away.

2015
02:42:34.650 --> 02:42:37.350
Don Kilpatrick: That's very nice. Yeah, it's great. Peter

2016
02:42:38.190 --> 02:42:38.910
John English: Nice Rodney.

2017
02:42:39.810 --> 02:42:41.700
Don Kilpatrick: Ooh, I love that with this very fun.

2018
02:42:44.490 --> 02:42:45.720
Tim Trabon: That's fun. Sweet.

2019
02:42:46.260 --> 02:42:47.670
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, yeah.

2020
02:42:48.450 --> 02:42:48.990
John English: Wow.

2021
02:42:49.110 --> 02:42:50.880
John English: Rodney nice Oh work.

2022
02:42:51.570 --> 02:42:54.270
Tim Trabon: Is Rodney, have we seen Ronnie's work before

2023
02:42:54.600 --> 02:42:56.070
Tim Trabon: He had this is the first

2024
02:42:56.160 --> 02:42:57.060
John English: I don't remember.

2025
02:42:57.150 --> 02:42:57.720
Tim Trabon: Wow.

2026
02:42:57.810 --> 02:43:02.940
John English: If it was this good. I would remember but maybe maybe half. I don't know. But I think it's great.

2027
02:43:03.030 --> 02:43:03.510
I

2028
02:43:05.670 --> 02:43:08.520
Tim Trabon: Mean nearing solution new draw with us.

2029
02:43:11.160 --> 02:43:11.610
Thanks.

2030
02:43:15.780 --> 02:43:16.440
John English: Jesse

2031
02:43:25.290 --> 02:43:25.860
Bill Koeb: That's cool.

2032
02:43:31.980 --> 02:43:33.420
John English: Page what's

2033
02:43:33.450 --> 02:43:34.470
Dale Stephanos: The whole story.

2034
02:43:36.330 --> 02:43:36.810
Tim Trabon: Think we

2035
02:43:37.290 --> 02:43:40.110
John English: Last week. Yeah, I think we've crossed over this fine.

2036
02:43:43.590 --> 02:43:45.780
Don Kilpatrick: That's great. Sweet.

2037
02:43:46.980 --> 02:43:47.520
Awesome.

2038
02:43:49.110 --> 02:43:56.340
John English: Elena. Yeah, I know. Lena, I gotta it's upstairs got a beautiful postcard from her.

2039
02:43:57.720 --> 02:43:58.440
John English: That's her work.

2040
02:44:00.720 --> 02:44:03.300
John English: I think now we're at the beginning. All right.

2041
02:44:03.750 --> 02:44:05.580
Tim Trabon: Thanks so much fun, guys.

2042
02:44:05.670 --> 02:44:07.410
John English: Hey, everybody. Thank you. This was fun.

2043
02:44:08.040 --> 02:44:16.350
John English: Yeah, everyone have a this is a couple of big two very scary nights coming up. You have Halloween and you got election night.

2044
02:44:25.590 --> 02:44:35.190
John English: Yeah, I hope everybody has a safe week and I look forward to seeing you next week. Whatever happens next Tuesday will be here Thursday.

2045
02:44:35.580 --> 02:44:43.290
Tim Trabon: Yeah, we're gonna be here Thursday we are playing on it. No matter what, and that being said, Please, please, please, please go vote.

2046
02:44:43.710 --> 02:44:46.650
Don Kilpatrick: Absolutely, yeah, for sure. Don't sleep on it.

2047
02:44:46.800 --> 02:44:49.830
Tim Trabon: Please go do it. So Happy Halloween, be safe.

2048
02:44:50.250 --> 02:44:54.750
John English: Yep, everyone. Have a great night. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Thank you.

2049
02:44:55.680 --> 02:44:59.310
Tim Trabon: He says, oh god, I can't wait till next Thursday we'll all be different.

2050
02:45:06.510 --> 02:45:10.140
John English: Thank you Montalvo. Thank you for being here earlier.

2051
02:45:11.460 --> 02:45:17.400
John English: Thank you, Bill. Really fun night drawn with you all, and everybody else in the room. Thank you so much. Have a great week.

2052
02:45:20.670 --> 02:45:21.030
Don Kilpatrick: Good night.