Life Drawing Episode 68: Illustrating Skateboarders, Martial Artists and Surfers at the Olympics

Join artists Don Kilpatrick, Cassandra Loomis Kim, Bill Koeb, and John English as they illustrate athletes from the surfing, karate, and skateboarding events at the 2021 Tokyo Olympics.

In this episode of life drawing, our usual suspects of illustrating panelists catch up from last week, share tips on exploring mixed media, developing style, and discuss all the latest shows we’ve been watching as we draw.

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Keegan Palmer skating at the Olympics
Portrait of Carissa Moore olympic surfer
Photo of Sandra Sanchez performing at Olympics
Yuto Horigome skateboarding in the 2021 Tokyo Olympics

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Transcript of Episode 68

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Tim Trabon: Okay, and the room is open.

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Tim Trabon: And we’re live here we go people be trickling in.

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John English: Hopefully.

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Tim Trabon: we’re going to give it give it a minute let everybody show up and let them hit refresh right at six.

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Tim Trabon: And then a second we’ll start our theme song.

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John English: yeah we wouldn’t be right, without the theme song.

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Tim Trabon: Which burn.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: You out understand not remembering there’s a pass john.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like for it seemed like for a month, everything was like a pause before it started and you always wondered if it was going to work.

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John English: yeah no I.

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John English: Now I know it’s going to work.

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John English: I used to hope it’s not going to work.

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John English: custom to it.

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Tim Trabon: It doesn’t and I edited the video I like stupidly last like five and a half seconds at the beginning of it or just dead silence.

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Tim Trabon: yeah in hindsight, not a good at it.

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John English: works.

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John English: yeah it feels like it feels.

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John English: Like it’s part of it now.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: pause for the beginning.

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Tim Trabon: Okay.

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John English: All right, hey everybody, welcome to illustration isolation, I had to remember where I was tonight.

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John English: The one I had been drawn all day and.

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John English: We had we had a really fun morning it was it was a we wandered a bit, this morning we tried Different materials, and it was a fun fun morning.

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John English: we’re going to if you’re new to us welcome we’re going to we’re going to do for poses tonight, so far, just to let you know who’s here is my partner in business is TIM trade can be trayvon TIM trayvon.

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John English: Either or you have to accept.

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Tim Trabon: That there are either me yeah.

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John English: And then Cassandra loomis canvas with us time kilpatrick is here, and so is bill cope I don’t know if anybody else has come in the room, since I started but.

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John English: I I expect maybe one or two more to show up, so we do for poses for 20 minute poses and keeping in the theme of the Olympics we’re going to continue on but we’re going to do try some new some new star so new Olympic stars and some.

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John English: Some new sports actually that were introduced to the Olympics so Keegan Palmer okay let’s see if I get this right, I was I watched actually watch some of this with my son I watched him when he this is.

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John English: park skating right he won a gold in the park and then charisma more won a gold and surfing from Hawaii.

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John English: keegan’s from United States.

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John English: Sandra sandwiches one.

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Tim Trabon: New sports actually that were introduced to the limit.

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John English: yeah these these are, these are all new, the first time I mean they’ve been tested before, but the first time they’re offering metals.

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John English: Center champ Sanchez from Spain won a gold and cut karate and then utah for gumby won a gold in street skating and I today, I had a different skater in.

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John English: And my son side he’s like no dad you got to put you tell him, he said he’s the best skater in the world youtube’s only what did we say was 2015.

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John English: Really really keegan’s really old he’s at.

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John English: Anyway, I thought was a good good representation, they all they’re all Gold Medal winners.

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John English: we’re going to do our normal 20 minute poses you got something to say there TIM.

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Tim Trabon: About one correction, I think I believe the Keegan Palmer is is was born in the US, but I think that he’s competing for Australia okay.

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John English: I, are you sure.

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Tim Trabon: Somebody goes back check for me.

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Tim Trabon: But from what i’m reading he’s a.

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Tim Trabon: Okay, as an Australian.

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John English: Okay well i’ll i’ll i’ll.

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Tim Trabon: real time.

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John English: hey I got the sport right.

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Tim Trabon: I got the metal God and 99% of it right.

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Tim Trabon: confirm.

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Tim Trabon: Australian yeah.

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John English: In they’re all they’re all in Tokyo.

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John English: And then took to make it really you know to uncomplicated, this is the 2020 Olympics in 2021 so.

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John English: I yeah.

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Tim Trabon: Sure i’m sure we have an Australian here who could give us an Australian confirmation of this.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: I will we do we have natalie Williams said she’s from Australia.

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Tim Trabon: Okay now natalie it’s on you.

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Tim Trabon: proceed john sorry.

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John English: Okay well in most things I when i’m getting facts out i’m wrong, most of the time so.

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John English: Just remember that.

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John English: So hey.

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John English: After your poses after the 20 minute poses post your work to hashtag illustration isolation and instagram and then we’ll go through it all, at the end of the night.

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John English: i’m looking forward to a fun day to dry and let’s get going.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: To.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Allow the light on it.

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John English: These are very tough poses I I tried to.

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John English: I tried to vary them up where it’s not just.

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John English: it’s not just all full figure action so there’s a couple there’s a there’s a portrait.

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John English: follow up clarissa more I.

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John English: Are in the water it’s a beautiful shot of her.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: It really is.

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John English: And so I thought Okay, that would be a good catch up.

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John English: In the mornings on Thursday morning the studio bridge bill and I always we start with the full figure in the rule is the feet, have to be hitting the ground so that.

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John English: You know, you can really practice your gesture and work on your your drawing chops get things make things.

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John English: Work get weight transfer get.

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John English: The gesture appropriate.

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John English: yep and you can’t do that if feet aren’t hitting the ground or you can’t do it as well, I should say.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: i’m gonna make it one of these Thursday morning sessions.

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John English: You should they’re fun.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah it looks great it’s just I always have my kids around so.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: see if I can get them to join drawing.

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Bill Koeb: Your kids were drawing this morning.

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John English: But guess what.

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Bill Koeb: you’re drawing.

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Bill Koeb: But I don’t you’re drawing.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah they’re there for so it’s like herding cats.

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Bill Koeb: You want breakfast.

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Bill Koeb: get a pencil.

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John English: it’s it’s like hurting artists.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah yeah yeah.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like they’ll want to draw when it’s not time to draw, but when it’s time to draw they want nothing to do with drawing.

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Bill Koeb: All right, yeah absolutely.

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Bill Koeb: So Cassandra you’ll get a kick out of this, I was teaching a watercolor class about your kids ages five to seven.

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Bill Koeb: You know, and a lot of them did really well you know they did pretty good, but there were a couple that just they were you know they were going their own way.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: You know and.

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Bill Koeb: It was those you know those pan watercolors that are like really hard.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah.

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Bill Koeb: Barely get anything out of them.

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Bill Koeb: But I remember, at the end going through and.

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Bill Koeb: You know, asking people what they learn in the kids actually were Latino they surprised me they learned a lot.

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Bill Koeb: And then, at the end, one of the girls goes I learned about warm and cool colors.

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Bill Koeb: And I was very proud.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah and.

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Bill Koeb: And then, little and then I go yeah why don’t cook colors are really important in this little boy who didn’t pay attention all week goes warm and cool colors are very important.

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Bill Koeb: And i’m like you know, I have to norm, but like inside the dialogue is something like i’ve been doing this for 40 years how long you been drawing kid.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: pretty.on.

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Bill Koeb: What do you got.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like and when breath they’ll say something it’s and you’re like I was successful and then the next breath you’re just like it’s a forehead smack.

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John English: Cassandra I did I went to my daughter’s school when she was like.

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John English: Five or six that she was in I think she was in kindergarten and they asked me to come in there and they like parents day professional day and they wanted.

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John English: They wanted me to come in and do something, you know related to art.

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John English: And so I came in and.

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John English: did a drawing or you gotta remember I just started the Academy about the same time, and was pretty into the teaching aspect of everything and really thinking about what I was doing and and all these five and six year olds, and I did this little.

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John English: Little landscape painting, and this girl so when we got done, I said, can do you have any questions and this young girl actually became really good friends with my daughter.

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John English: is just like vibrating with her arm up in the air well call me call me call me, and so I call it her i’m thinking wow this is really great.

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Bill Koeb: I got.

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John English: It audience yeah and she in the question is this, he said, oh my my brother dress horses really well.

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John English: Okay, here we go.

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Bill Koeb: Oh yeah.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Is it a bit like.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: My dad does to.

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John English: Well, my my dad had a really funny thing happened to him, he did that, with one of my half sisters.

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John English: went to her school and.

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John English: Did this like painting, of course.

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John English: For the for the for all the students and.

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John English: his daughter came home that night, you could tell she was really bothered.

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John English: By something.

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John English: And she my dad said, you know what’s what’s what’s wrong, I mean if you know did something go wrong today cheapest will dad do you think if you try, really, really hard you could do a painting of a horse that look like a horse.

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John English: She was really happy.

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John English: You did kind of an abstract it or.

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John English: understand it.

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Bill Koeb: made her look bad.

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John English: What a great line, could you could you draw paint can you paint a horse to actually look like a worse.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: dancer.

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John English: He said, probably not.

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Tim Trabon: And I have a question done what’s going on over there, this looks like a new.

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Tim Trabon: A new thing.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yes.

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Don Kilpatrick: i’m painting on.

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Tim Trabon: Very cool.

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Bill Koeb: Oh Donna tried gel plates this week.

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Oh, and.

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Tim Trabon: Can can either view bring us up to speed on that.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah so thank you.

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very much.

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Tim Trabon: don don are you are you away from your microphone or something.

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Don Kilpatrick: No i’ve got it right.

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Tim Trabon: It sounds like a bit of a tin can situation I don’t know what happened.

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Bill Koeb: There you go.

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Don Kilpatrick: Can you hear me.

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Tim Trabon: Oh, it sounds great yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: Okay yeah so.

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Don Kilpatrick: Basically.

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Don Kilpatrick: i’m.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, typically with with mono type I would you would paint with on glass, you know.

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Don Kilpatrick: But but there’s some other products like the gel plates there’s this you know kind of flexi material that i’m using here that were developed, just to be a little bit more cost effective easier to use.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know if you’re not familiar with the pressure on your press when you run it through a press you can crack the glass and with this, you know with these.

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Don Kilpatrick: Alternatives you’re not necessarily going to crack the glass as much that sort of thing but it’s it’s really just you know paint on the glass and then you run it through a press and.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, see what you get.

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Bill Koeb: So I the gel plates are like this squishy.

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Bill Koeb: pliable.

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Bill Koeb: gelatin material and.

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Bill Koeb: You know, you can pay on it with water color acrylic oil whatever it’s pretty amenable to.

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Bill Koeb: Many different media.

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Bill Koeb: But I found it that it was really hard to clean the watercolor off of it.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah I could see that and.

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Bill Koeb: Oil paint no problem, but I tried some.

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Bill Koeb: Some speed ball.

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Bill Koeb: Black printing inks.

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Bill Koeb: And there were oil base and it’s the cool thing was as soon as I hit them with water.

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Bill Koeb: You know it’s like using water to move things around the ink would receive.

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Bill Koeb: jump back from the.

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Bill Koeb: From the media, and it was really fun, I mean I didn’t read the label on the paints, otherwise it probably is mineral spirits or something.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh well, did you use the because they you know they are making relief things that clean up with soap and water or window cleaner.

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Don Kilpatrick: They have all the properties of the oil base but then you.

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Don Kilpatrick: You can have a solvent free setup I gotcha that’s that’s kind of what i’ve been doing since i’ve been you know, working from home here is just avoiding solvents all together yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: And it’s worked out pretty well they don’t dry as quickly but it’s kind of like my water missable oils, they they you know they can give me a lot of the same qualities but they just don’t dry as quickly, even with the drying mediums.

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Bill Koeb: gotcha no I think these were just regular.

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Bill Koeb: I mean, I was using a mix, I was actually mixing oil based.

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Bill Koeb: inks and water based inks.

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Bill Koeb: sticking to one type, but I really loved how as soon as I would touch it with water, the way it received it.

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that’s cool yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah I gotta check out yeah i’d love to see what you were working on with school.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah i’ve been you know I really enjoy this stuff because it’s just you know just something different try now also have a second camera setup here when i’m getting ready to print i’m going to switch my camera hopefully it works oh cool.

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Bill Koeb: I did find that like if you put a pencil drawing underneath the Joe played.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah and I have like this really nice linseed oil so that cleans it out really well like I found in gamblin in general, like their their pains are pretty clean as it goes.

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Bill Koeb: yeah so that so so the murphy’s oil so though I haven’t tried to linseed oil so but.

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Don Kilpatrick: came across a bag of those when I moved, you know a few years back, and was able to save one of them that I never thought I would be able to save.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh that’s good.

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Don Kilpatrick: But yeah I mean if I hadn’t it, you know you could impale someone if you really tried.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: i’m trickle.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Yes, I really like them and then I can swear by brush restore.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: No it’s the stuff that they put on the new brushes so they hold their point, and so you put it on your brush up do you wash every time, and you have a perfect point so your brushes last like.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Longer.

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Don Kilpatrick: You try them.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: I know I sound like a commercial but it’s like my favorite product.

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Bill Koeb: You need to get them to sponsor this.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: I know I know I like.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Talk about him I need to figure that out someday.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: I use their brushes.

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Bill Koeb: Its in raleigh.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: There on the east coast or something yeah.

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Bill Koeb: And their store in raleigh there’s also a cheap joe’s, which is a little farther away it’s in boone.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: The don what’s what’s the plan for Monday.

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Don Kilpatrick: So i’ve got i’m going to be doing a DEMO in acrylic wash so.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah i’m pretty excited about it going to do.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, that from Japan those those were all that was I tried getting some time into do plein air.

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Don Kilpatrick: When I was there I was, I was pretty much in the shoe making class from 10 to six every day and I just I found that it was just it was just too difficult to try and set up and tear down.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah really do anything so I drew a lot on the trains and I drew somewhat in the park and things like that, but that was all photo reference I brought back to the studio and then.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know started flushing them out after when I got home just because I I just didn’t think I was going to get the time you know.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah yeah no I mean they’re they’re really good it makes me feel a bit better.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh thanks.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like you’re able to like that you spent a lot, you know the time on him in the studio because i’m like Oh, he just did this on site.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah I wish I could you know I mean I really wanted to, but I just you know I just didn’t have.

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Don Kilpatrick: I just knew the limitation, because it was like by the time it was so crazy because you know I noticed how.

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Don Kilpatrick: In the morning the sun came up so early and then by the time I was pretty much done with my class i’d have like maybe 45 minutes of sunlight well.

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Don Kilpatrick: Maybe an hour and a half, but it was just I just was like stress and thing and then that wasn’t going to be enough time to capture some of the mood that I wanted to, and all that kind of stuff so.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like in United focus on the thing that you’re there for.

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Don Kilpatrick: And I remember one night when I was out and about exploring trying to get some nighttime photography around wherever staying.

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Don Kilpatrick: It was just you know it was just fogging up my lens on the DSL I was just it was just I couldn’t control it.

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Don Kilpatrick: So I just started using my iPhone and went crazy with that and then just try to get as best quality photos as I could you know it, it does a pretty good job I don’t even have the latest iPhone either you know so.

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Don Kilpatrick: wow yeah it was really.

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John English: You know it’s, the best thing about it it’s always there.

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Don Kilpatrick: Well, and you know it was just it was I really tried to you know make that trip something where.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, like you were saying the primary reason was I really wanted to learn shoe making but I was also looking at it like Okay, I want to I really want to document my experience here.

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Don Kilpatrick: Not knowing the language not really knowing the culture that will, and you know how do I process all this and it was really kind of it was a way for me not to.

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Don Kilpatrick: really get too anxious if I wasn’t you know hearing my own language, you know what I mean or you know I didn’t have that kind of shocked that you might get you know.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: But it’s a tough balance of trying to capture what you’re seeing and also being in the moment, so that you enjoy it.

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John English: A the assignment posted or the challenge posted which is.

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John English: To do a painting.

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John English: it’s a with an architectural feature, and so I thought, what you were doing that, even though the interior stuff of the of the train station just blew me away done and I just.

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John English: Thank you that’s going to make a really great a fun challenge this month.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah that’ll be cool I look forward to see what everybody does.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah well thanks so much, I was really inspired you know I know I know you all, probably know, Robert hunt.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, years ago, when he presented the series he did.

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Don Kilpatrick: On the reconstruction of the bay bridge, you know after the major earthquake and what was at nine.

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Don Kilpatrick: And how he hustled to just you know make that project come about, and that was just that was one that was a real big touch point for me and I I.

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Don Kilpatrick: Since i’ve been in Detroit i’ve i’ve been you know, trying to channel that inspiration into various self.

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Don Kilpatrick: generated projects like that and that’s that’s one of them and that’s that’s the one i’m.

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Don Kilpatrick: Really excited about I have another one they they put the reinstalled trolley tracks in Detroit you know a few years back, three or four years ago and i’ve got a lot of photos right documented that I have yet to really take and start doing anything with them, but.

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Don Kilpatrick: I really encourage that you know I think it’s it’s for me it was like you know I tend to not get a chance to do many like fully realized compositions and.

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Don Kilpatrick: That was a chance for me to really just kind of challenge myself to think more compositionally.

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Don Kilpatrick: See annuals.

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Don Kilpatrick: At you know some it depends, some of them I had to you know just because of space, I had to pitch, but i’ve got some of the college for sure.

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Bill Koeb: I don’t like it’s either it’s either sorry it’s either 8686 or 8687 or 88 in one of the annuals there’s a series of paintings, that a friend of mine did.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh cool.

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Bill Koeb: Of the transit bus terminal.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh cool.

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Bill Koeb: And he did this whole series of I mean he did it he did I don’t know like a dozen of them, or something like.

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Bill Koeb: That, but I think in the annual they published like five or six of them his name is David Ryan Ryan okay i’ll check it.

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Bill Koeb: it’s a great I mean it’s a great series and the people that are you know there’s people in it there’s the.

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Don Kilpatrick: Nice yeah I that was that was one of my favorite places to check out in the city, I mean I I took a lot of.

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Don Kilpatrick: You know, prior to getting my digital camera setup I did a lot of a shot some film there when I first moved out there and that reminds me I gotta dig that up again because there was some really crazy I got some really interesting shots in there.

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Don Kilpatrick: I love I love doing that, especially you know when you’re in a city that you’ve maybe been in for a long time, or even if you know you’ve not been in a city.

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Don Kilpatrick: you’re visiting for the first time I feel like it’s, you know as an artist, I feel like it’s a way for you to really connect and with a place.

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Don Kilpatrick: And that’s kind of what I was trying to do too is like I didn’t speak the language I you know I didn’t know the normal customs, but I thought.

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Don Kilpatrick: This is my way of connecting with this, you know as a complete outsider and trying to internalize it and I think it really helped taking that kind of mindset, you know.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: there’s also something special about when you are new to a city, you see the city with fresh eyes, where you’re used to getting there all the time you’re like I walk past it every day and I never thought to like look at it that way you know.

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Don Kilpatrick: Right totally and I think that’s that’s what I loved about you know moving here to Detroit with the train station was just you know.

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Don Kilpatrick: You when you drive up on that thing, and now, especially with you know you’ll see some major renovations in fact i’m going to hustle down to Detroit before.

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Don Kilpatrick: Next, you know before my DEMO on Monday to to give you guys photographs of how it looks now because it’s it’s pretty inspiring to see how much they’re they’re doing to restore it.

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Don Kilpatrick: it’s going to be absolutely drop dead gorgeous when they’re done.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Well that’s exciting.

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Don Kilpatrick: It was a super busy station and it’s day and it’s really i’m excited that it’s going to be activated you know actually the big hotel that was built a top of it.

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Don Kilpatrick: was never really filled and used completely and now we’re ford’s taking it over for their Detroit hub and innovation hub for driver lists and autonomous vehicles.

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Don Kilpatrick: they’re going to pretty much fill that entire top part up, which is exciting because it never had that from 1914 until 1988 when it shut down yeah the train tracks behind it are still active because it’s one of the few touch points between the US and Canada still.

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Don Kilpatrick: Canadian and US folks patrolling there you know so.

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Don Kilpatrick: People aren’t messing around or whatever, but.

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John English: I can imagine we’re up on our time here yeah we should we had a slow start because of.

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John English: Where I was talking too much.

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John English: We should be go on to the next post here in just a second.

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Tim Trabon: yeah so just be sure to post your post your work to instagram using hashtag illustration isolation at visual arts passage.

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Tim Trabon: links are on the on the photos page and i’ll also toss them in the chat.

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Don Kilpatrick: it’s so awesome to see it and it’s an Olympic sport that’s.

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Tim Trabon: yeah earlier john and I are talking about I I just can’t wait until like the down the downhill like longboarding makes it.

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Tim Trabon: Well, you know it’s common oh I don’t even know what that’s like I just know what it is, I know, when I see it.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: You know it’s hardcore.

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Tim Trabon: yeah exactly.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah yeah.

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Don Kilpatrick: I love every time just.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: You know, add some rocks to your hand from with fabric and then just.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: A big mountain or a big.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Because.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: i’m driven down that hill I love that area and Iceland.

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Don Kilpatrick: wow oh it’s amazing.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah been there, a couple times I just keep going back because I love it there’s so much.

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Bill Koeb: that’s cool that’s my favorite part of the film.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah it’s.

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Tim Trabon: The most out of control i’ve ever felt in my life zonal has been on long boards.

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Don Kilpatrick: Like.

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Don Kilpatrick: it’s great but it’s.

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Tim Trabon: done like i’ve on more than one occasion.

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Tim Trabon: been on a longboard that is just heading towards an intersection.

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Tim Trabon: With no not even close enough experience to like stop at like a speed that you don’t want to just bail you know.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, my gosh you.

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Tim Trabon: Do you know looking you’re looking both be like I think it’s gonna be clear.

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Don Kilpatrick: Do you follow america’s not got talent instagram account.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah oh.

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Don Kilpatrick: How do I know oh my.

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Don Kilpatrick: Goodness like where you guys you’re missing out well there what you’re describing reminds me of one of the recent posts, where this guy’s like booking and he almost got taken out, you know.

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Tim Trabon: yeah I had a I when I lived in portland I had a longboard get run over by a car.

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Tim Trabon: I like jumped off of it and it just this card is where.

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00:36:06.960 –> 00:36:10.740
Tim Trabon: It confirmed that I I bailing was the right choice.

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Bill Koeb: I saw what was in my.

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Don Kilpatrick: Future and.

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Don Kilpatrick: see your life flash right.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, my gosh yeah no it’s it’s.

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Tim Trabon: yeah I was so I was so I used to write up I used to ride on board to classes and stuff anyways I was, I did not have the experience to do that near a road.

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Don Kilpatrick: Man I.

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Don Kilpatrick: I saw would like to get a board again and ride it just you know, but I just know that.

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John English: it’s done.

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Don Kilpatrick: gotta give it up.

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yeah.

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Tim Trabon: Did you ever do have fights.

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Don Kilpatrick: um I you know I came close to being able to do it, but I never could get it down, it was so frustrating oh my gosh.

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Tim Trabon: I worked at a high, so I used to like photo assist the way brothers a ton and back in the day at their photo studio they had a full blown like half pipe with.

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Tim Trabon: Maybe like.

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00:37:12.390 –> 00:37:16.770
Tim Trabon: I think one of the drop in on one side was like 12 feet, I mean it was like.

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Tim Trabon: For me, a person that had no experience.

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Tim Trabon: I almost had no experience on a skateboard before I met them and.

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Tim Trabon: I started to skateboard like during photo shoots and it was almost I swear there were a couple of shoots where I was almost skateboarding to entertain the clients.

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Don Kilpatrick: Okay yeah.

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Tim Trabon: We just watch me just just faceplant.

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Don Kilpatrick: To do the funny thing.

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Tim Trabon: Again, and do it again.

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Bill Koeb: Oh make him fall day.

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Tim Trabon: there’s a highlight reel of it.

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Tim Trabon: it’s only there’s a highlight reel we looked at it, the other day, like cuz I was like talking about how I was like man, I feel like if I fall if I like if I just hit myself in an awkward way my back goes out for like a week.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh, and I was like.

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Tim Trabon: And I was like.

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Tim Trabon: I was like five years ago, I was just like throwing my body off of.

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00:38:18.570 –> 00:38:20.250
Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah I just.

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Tim Trabon: Like no problem.

428
00:38:23.040 –> 00:38:24.690
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Are you like sleep the wrong way.

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Tim Trabon: yeah oh yeah no I sleep the wrong way and I break up I wake up with like a sprained wrist.

430
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: shoulders never been the same.

431
00:38:35.520 –> 00:38:39.780
Tim Trabon: yeah, it is a video, it is a highlight reel of me just.

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Tim Trabon: smashing into the ground.

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Tim Trabon: It thanks like somebody was there and they were like i’ve never seen somebody try to drop in from a halfpipe and fail so many times and keep doing it, and never learned how to.

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Don Kilpatrick: live a met me then because.

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Don Kilpatrick: i’m mean I was.

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Don Kilpatrick: I was kind of hesitant to do it back you know back when I was like 1718 but Oh, I would never I just I don’t know I know jack myself up royally if I tried it.

437
00:39:16.380 –> 00:39:22.440
Tim Trabon: I would try it, I mean they have there were parts of it that were like four feet, probably, or maybe five feet.

438
00:39:22.680 –> 00:39:23.310
Don Kilpatrick: Okay.

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Tim Trabon: So that was like that’s a great.

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Tim Trabon: yeah I wasn’t dropping in from like 12 feet.

441
00:39:28.800 –> 00:39:29.670
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, I tell you what.

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Tim Trabon: No, no, no.

443
00:39:31.500 –> 00:39:31.860
Don Kilpatrick: Or should.

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Tim Trabon: They be there, they would be there, there was like there were some very, very talented skateboarders that would hang out there, a couple professional ones.

445
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Don Kilpatrick: Oh Nice.

446
00:39:41.460 –> 00:39:46.500
Tim Trabon: And they’d be like man you gotta drop in at 1212 is actually very it’s way easier if.

447
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: You get a concussion.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Sorry, that was my mom line for you.

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know.

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Tim Trabon: It started off with people being like no you don’t need down it’s only whatever and then they saw me do it enough times the skateboarders like Maybe she put out.

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Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

452
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Don Kilpatrick: Well head injury you go.

453
00:40:06.780 –> 00:40:07.650
Bill Koeb: Totally failing.

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00:40:07.680 –> 00:40:08.520
Tim Trabon: will fare like.

455
00:40:08.910 –> 00:40:10.470
Tim Trabon: So, like halfway through this.

456
00:40:10.530 –> 00:40:11.040
Tim Trabon: Half like.

457
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Tim Trabon: highlight reel I all of a sudden, have a motorcycle helmet on because it was the only one, they have.

458
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Don Kilpatrick: classic.

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00:40:22.410 –> 00:40:23.790
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like with a full visor.

460
00:40:24.540 –> 00:40:25.890
Tim Trabon: Oh yeah it’s a full head.

461
00:40:26.460 –> 00:40:27.330
Tim Trabon: Like it’s.

462
00:40:28.260 –> 00:40:31.590
Tim Trabon: very nice advanced motorcycle helmet.

463
00:40:32.310 –> 00:40:33.210
Don Kilpatrick: that’s awesome.

464
00:40:33.780 –> 00:40:34.440
Cassandra Loomis Kim: that’s awesome.

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Bill Koeb: xander Have you ever seen that movie where will ferrell goes off the you know just a skateboard ramp thing and then ends up in the electrical wires.

466
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: That.

467
00:40:48.630 –> 00:40:52.020
Bill Koeb: it’s one with I forget what it’s called like step dads or something that’s.

468
00:40:57.510 –> 00:41:01.410
Bill Koeb: It he is the stepfather to mark wahlberg’s kids.

469
00:41:01.770 –> 00:41:03.360
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh, I know what you’re talking about.

470
00:41:04.950 –> 00:41:08.880
Bill Koeb: And so mark wahlberg like builds a you know cuz he’s like super dad.

471
00:41:10.890 –> 00:41:15.240
Bill Koeb: He builds a skateboard ramp in the backyard, you have skateboard halfpipe in the backyard.

472
00:41:16.380 –> 00:41:22.680
Bill Koeb: and welfare, I was trying to show them up, so he he, like jumping yeah he gets all the gear on he’s going to do this thing.

473
00:41:23.220 –> 00:41:24.270
Bill Koeb: He goes down.

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00:41:25.080 –> 00:41:27.450
Bill Koeb: He goes straight up and he hits the power lines.

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00:41:28.890 –> 00:41:32.700
Bill Koeb: Any drop straight out and he’s basically clinically dead for.

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Don Kilpatrick: Like a couple of minutes.

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Bill Koeb: yeah couple minutes.

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00:41:37.350 –> 00:41:37.890
Don Kilpatrick: That would do it.

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Tim Trabon: Oh, everybody from when I was a kid everybody’s parents would like not let us go skateboarding but, like everybody had a trampoline in their backyard.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah those were like those are like 10 times worse.

481
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than.

482
00:41:53.430 –> 00:41:54.330
Tim Trabon: trampolines.

483
00:41:55.500 –> 00:41:56.010
Bill Koeb: dangerous.

484
00:41:56.040 –> 00:41:56.910
Tim Trabon: Oh yeah.

485
00:41:57.690 –> 00:41:58.620
Don Kilpatrick: I mean that was like.

486
00:41:59.160 –> 00:42:02.280
Don Kilpatrick: Man every kid in the neighborhood got jacked up on one of those.

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00:42:02.370 –> 00:42:10.830
Tim Trabon: I mean, I remember the whole game, the game was that you would try to catch another person on a bounce and just rocket them off of.

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Bill Koeb: her own right.

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00:42:16.980 –> 00:42:29.400
Tim Trabon: No, I actually bill that’s hilarious you say that because I was in alice’s neighborhood and I passed by trampoline I was like what’s that and she was like it’s the the net around the trampoline I was like When did they start doing that.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: I know that was like way after my childhood.

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00:42:33.600 –> 00:42:41.460
Tim Trabon: yeah I was like oh no they had a little foam pad that hit hit the springs if you were lucky like.

492
00:42:41.970 –> 00:42:44.370
Don Kilpatrick: Book yeah you take that foam pad and then those.

493
00:42:44.370 –> 00:42:46.890
Don Kilpatrick: Things would go and gouger back.

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00:42:47.370 –> 00:42:50.460
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Are you late goes in between the springs, did you remember that.

495
00:42:50.700 –> 00:42:52.950
Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah yeah well yeah then.

496
00:42:54.480 –> 00:42:58.440
Don Kilpatrick: Then you know with with younger siblings you’re just like you’re okay you’re okay.

497
00:43:00.180 –> 00:43:01.920
Don Kilpatrick: After they get messed up yeah.

498
00:43:02.040 –> 00:43:05.070
Tim Trabon: yeah yeah you’re trying to pep talk.

499
00:43:05.610 –> 00:43:08.490
Don Kilpatrick: you’re like you’re not hurt that’s that’s not a good segue you’re.

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Tim Trabon: The best the best pep talks i’ve ever got from my older brother we’re just when I got injured at his fault.

501
00:43:19.230 –> 00:43:20.310
John English: you’re fine to me no we.

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00:43:21.540 –> 00:43:24.000
John English: don’t but my mom dad don’t need to know about this.

503
00:43:25.020 –> 00:43:25.650
Bill Koeb: Year okay.

504
00:43:26.220 –> 00:43:26.910
Bill Koeb: Good right.

505
00:43:27.570 –> 00:43:28.260
Tim Trabon: The art.

506
00:43:28.500 –> 00:43:28.620
Of.

507
00:43:29.670 –> 00:43:30.030
Tim Trabon: War.

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00:43:31.200 –> 00:43:39.330
Don Kilpatrick: I never I never was successful with those pep talks let’s just say that i’m an older sibling and yeah thing yeah.

509
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: My my house my brothers are actually really good skateboarders and my dad helped them build like a huge half pipe and our yard.

510
00:43:48.330 –> 00:44:02.430
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh cool, like all the kids can get bits like there was a ramp that they built and there was a kid who came, who was more my friend and my brothers and he was like oh I got this and we’re like no you shouldn’t any went off of it and got a compound fracture.

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A.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: And yeah so that it was very limited, who was allowed to go on the ramp or half pipe oh yeah.

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John English: Did you start testing them Okay, can you close your eyes.

514
00:44:19.890 –> 00:44:21.660
John English: Put your hands behind you it’s like giving them a.

515
00:44:24.780 –> 00:44:25.200
John English: test.

516
00:44:25.980 –> 00:44:27.750
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Have you used to skateboard before.

517
00:44:29.550 –> 00:44:30.870
John English: Do you play sports.

518
00:44:33.060 –> 00:44:34.290
Bill Koeb: I just imagine.

519
00:44:34.620 –> 00:44:36.090
Bill Koeb: All the other parents.

520
00:44:37.800 –> 00:44:39.930
Bill Koeb: really not loving your dad.

521
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Now yeah eventually the Hoa said it was an eyesore, and so they had to take it apart.

522
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: And I was a total bummer because, like my my brothers are so frustrated because.

523
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: The town wouldn’t let kids skateboard in public, and so, then my dad was, like all right well let’s do this here, and at least it’s safe and you’re not doing anything illegal and we can keep an eye on you.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: So worked great and that situation till the Hoa but you know my friend, he broke his arm, but then, and it was great for just knowing where everybody was they weren’t doing anything illegal.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Right now, now the town has a really nice skateboard park and, like my brothers was one of the first ones to petition for one because they’re like if we can’t do it, you got to give us a place to be able to do it.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: So they set it up right next to the firehouse because they were over there, so much.

527
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Bill Koeb: Max are right there yep yep.

528
00:45:36.210 –> 00:45:47.640
Bill Koeb: We had when I was a kid we had a ramp you know, a wooden ramp that, basically, I think, was like a creaky piece of plywood that probably had nails in it.

529
00:45:49.140 –> 00:45:50.220
Bill Koeb: In splinters.

530
00:45:51.330 –> 00:45:54.630
Bill Koeb: And then maybe a two by four or four by four.

531
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Bill Koeb: And you know you would go up that you’ve watched will go up, and it would bow in the middle, is what go up in, and it was a lot higher than really what was safe for for 10 year olds.

532
00:46:07.620 –> 00:46:11.460
Bill Koeb: But I remember everybody else in the neighborhood had kind of like a healthy.

533
00:46:12.690 –> 00:46:13.080
Bill Koeb: bike.

534
00:46:14.550 –> 00:46:16.800
Bill Koeb: And I had like a little banana seat bike.

535
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Little plastic basket i’m front.

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No.

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Tim Trabon: No you’re talking about like the et bike yeah.

538
00:46:30.180 –> 00:46:30.840
Bill Koeb: I know what you mean.

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00:46:31.800 –> 00:46:45.120
Bill Koeb: You know, but I did go off that thing, and once you know, and I felt it the whole way you know you just the minute you’re in a minute you’re kind of coming to the end of it, you know, this is a bad idea.

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00:46:46.440 –> 00:46:46.950
Tim Trabon: We.

541
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Don Kilpatrick: Were picturing like a Napoleon dynamite.

542
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Read.

543
00:46:53.670 –> 00:47:02.190
Don Kilpatrick: that that was the extent of our engineering prowess was like a cinder block with a piece of plywood and having it come up and smack somebody under the chin you know.

544
00:47:02.970 –> 00:47:05.160
Tim Trabon: They didn’t feel dangerous it wasn’t.

545
00:47:07.320 –> 00:47:09.060
Tim Trabon: It wasn’t done yet it was.

546
00:47:10.200 –> 00:47:20.190
Tim Trabon: I remember dare like those like Fisher price like children’s like like little cars they’ve got the red frame and the yellow top do you i’m talking about.

547
00:47:20.280 –> 00:47:20.670
Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah.

548
00:47:21.540 –> 00:47:31.920
Tim Trabon: yeah we have one of those from we’re really little, and we would we would tie it up to the back of somebody’s bike and like it’d be on like a 20 foot long rope.

549
00:47:33.240 –> 00:47:34.320
Tim Trabon: Somebody would sit and.

550
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Tim Trabon: The thing was is the person on the bike would just like drag this person as fast as possible and it just became it was the most one of the most dangerous things we did this.

551
00:47:48.300 –> 00:47:56.370
Tim Trabon: Because the whole thing was basically just did it until you could completely just wreck the person, you were dragging in this little children’s card.

552
00:47:58.260 –> 00:48:09.480
Tim Trabon: No, no, it wasn’t I have a buddy who’s like he’s an architect architect engineer, and he he’s participated in building of parks and he’s told me that, like.

553
00:48:10.590 –> 00:48:15.120
Tim Trabon: I they actually designed parks to be kind of like.

554
00:48:16.260 –> 00:48:25.440
Tim Trabon: They have to inspire some type of fear or danger because if they don’t kids just climb, on top of the largest structure you put there and they just jump off.

555
00:48:27.930 –> 00:48:29.460
Cassandra Loomis Kim: That is an excellent point and true.

556
00:48:30.120 –> 00:48:38.130
Tim Trabon: yeah he’s like if there’s not like a little bit of built in like thrill it just it doesn’t work.

557
00:48:40.020 –> 00:48:47.310
Tim Trabon: there’s a there’s a park in I think it’s in roanoke and Kansas city, I think, or it’s in midtown.

558
00:48:48.630 –> 00:48:58.680
Tim Trabon: But you can it’s like a kid’s park and you can climb I bet at the top of it you’re like 20 feet up 25 feet up on like ropes hmm.

559
00:48:59.040 –> 00:49:01.920
Tim Trabon: Our review just fell through you would just fall like 20 feet.

560
00:49:03.510 –> 00:49:03.840
Tim Trabon: Like.

561
00:49:04.170 –> 00:49:04.590
Bill Koeb: that’s like.

562
00:49:05.730 –> 00:49:07.290
Cassandra Loomis Kim: It feels like something that would have been built in the.

563
00:49:07.290 –> 00:49:11.280
Tim Trabon: 70s, oh it’s super hip really posh like very modern.

564
00:49:12.720 –> 00:49:13.080
Tim Trabon: It.

565
00:49:14.400 –> 00:49:16.980
Bill Koeb: I was thinking of those bucky fuller sincerity spirit.

566
00:49:19.410 –> 00:49:30.030
Tim Trabon: It makes you like it goes up high enough i’ve seen like we’ve gone there before with our friends kids and the kids came up and you see them and they get to a point where they’re they become aware.

567
00:49:31.200 –> 00:49:34.440
Tim Trabon: That they need to be careful and.

568
00:49:36.090 –> 00:49:37.350
Tim Trabon: yeah yeah.

569
00:49:38.400 –> 00:49:39.120
Tim Trabon: I don’t know.

570
00:49:40.410 –> 00:49:45.660
Tim Trabon: I haven’t looked up, though, like they don’t have like a sign that says like.

571
00:49:46.680 –> 00:49:47.910
Tim Trabon: 15 days since.

572
00:49:54.660 –> 00:49:56.970
Tim Trabon: not exactly demonstrated proof.

573
00:49:58.980 –> 00:50:00.390
John English: Have you done that.

574
00:50:00.510 –> 00:50:03.060
John English: On zip lunch before have you done supplying.

575
00:50:03.600 –> 00:50:06.840
Tim Trabon: i’ve only zip lines where we had it like in our backyard.

576
00:50:07.770 –> 00:50:10.680
Tim Trabon: Well, I got a cable and tight on trees.

577
00:50:10.830 –> 00:50:14.940
John English: I went on a zip lining like down in the down in Arkansas with my.

578
00:50:15.570 –> 00:50:16.710
Tim Trabon: My with matt.

579
00:50:16.740 –> 00:50:18.780
John English: Know out in Colorado with.

580
00:50:18.870 –> 00:50:26.370
John English: matt and his girlfriend and marsha and we were like it was really great it’s like no problem climb up you know you go up you get on this.

581
00:50:27.750 –> 00:50:43.710
John English: platform and zip line we zip line across the Arkansas river and I was doing just fine till we get on the other side in to get to the other platform which was like a little bit higher you had to climb up, but you had to go across First it was.

582
00:50:44.760 –> 00:50:47.670
John English: Like a rope bridge.

583
00:50:48.840 –> 00:50:50.580
John English: Like 40 feet off the ground.

584
00:50:52.590 –> 00:51:07.560
John English: So you know i’m thinking i’m the first one, I was the last one to go across so I was the first one to go across this and I had to like step down on this first board and there’s like you know, two by two by eight probably.

585
00:51:07.980 –> 00:51:17.640
John English: yeah and then like then there’ll be like a two foot gap and another to buy and they’re all connected by ropes and i’m about to put my foot down and i’m thinking that’s not right.

586
00:51:19.020 –> 00:51:24.330
John English: Back I kept picking it’s like I couldn’t make myself make that step.

587
00:51:25.140 –> 00:51:26.790
John English: yeah it really got me.

588
00:51:28.620 –> 00:51:31.440
Tim Trabon: Has anybody hiked the narrows and xi’an.

589
00:51:32.070 –> 00:51:41.190
Tim Trabon: yeah yeah don so we were in xi’an and everybody is like you can’t go design and not hype scenarios it’s like it’s like a five and a half hour hike.

590
00:51:41.940 –> 00:51:52.950
Tim Trabon: yeah it was 100 and million degrees that day, we were there for the record the record dad’s on the hottest day in Zion ever oh my gosh and.

591
00:51:54.270 –> 00:51:57.450
Tim Trabon: john is like yeah we should do it it’s a five and a half hour hike.

592
00:51:58.560 –> 00:52:11.640
Tim Trabon: and apparently only 25 you know 75% of people get to the last hundred yards yep and freak out and they’re like I can’t do it, and just head back, and I was like yeah I don’t need to do that.

593
00:52:13.050 –> 00:52:13.350
Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

594
00:52:13.980 –> 00:52:17.460
Tim Trabon: i’m not gonna go on a five hour hike to just be like oh I got scared.

595
00:52:19.260 –> 00:52:22.830
Don Kilpatrick: yeah because it gets like at least when I it’s been a while, but.

596
00:52:22.890 –> 00:52:23.850
Tim Trabon: To get to the top.

597
00:52:24.780 –> 00:52:28.020
Don Kilpatrick: um I think so or or close to it, I mean I.

598
00:52:28.620 –> 00:52:30.270
Tim Trabon: got scared done good be honest.

599
00:52:30.690 –> 00:52:31.560
Don Kilpatrick: got to the point.

600
00:52:32.640 –> 00:52:40.710
Don Kilpatrick: Well, they get you know back I don’t know if it’s changed or not, but you know it’s been quite a while, since I was there, but it was just it was simply like a metal cable.

601
00:52:41.250 –> 00:53:02.910
Don Kilpatrick: As like a gar as a handrail right is yeah, and I mean it is freaky when you look down, but I just you know I just didn’t look down until I got to you know, the end of it yeah but it’s yeah it’s it’s intense its intense I don’t know if I would do it now, I would say that, but yeah yeah.

602
00:53:04.050 –> 00:53:15.930
Bill Koeb: I would just things I can’t you know you know, like we went to busch gardens several years ago and I love roller coasters but I can’t read them anymore.

603
00:53:16.410 –> 00:53:19.110
Don Kilpatrick: nah man that’s a bucket you know, like.

604
00:53:19.230 –> 00:53:27.360
Bill Koeb: My both my ex and I got really sick and which suck for my son, because of course he wants to go on all the roller coasters.

605
00:53:27.450 –> 00:53:28.260
Cassandra Loomis Kim: wow.

606
00:53:28.830 –> 00:53:32.610
John English: You know, and what you’re saying is you don’t love roller coasters and you.

607
00:53:33.300 –> 00:53:39.840
Bill Koeb: yeah I mean I love that you know and i’ve been on i’ve been on you know the one in Santa Cruz, is for kitty.

608
00:53:40.620 –> 00:53:41.730
Bill Koeb: wouldn’t well yeah.

609
00:53:42.060 –> 00:53:45.420
Cassandra Loomis Kim: You know I love the wisdom lines more than I do, the loop de loop.

610
00:53:45.930 –> 00:53:46.830
Bill Koeb: yeah and.

611
00:53:47.970 –> 00:53:57.450
Bill Koeb: But I mean I used to be really good on roller coasters it was the rides that went round and round and search, you know, like tea cups or something that I couldn’t do, but I.

612
00:53:57.540 –> 00:54:04.200
Tim Trabon: I hate I hate I hate I hate the i’m going to go real strong reaction hate theme parks.

613
00:54:04.350 –> 00:54:07.830
Tim Trabon: Really yeah I don’t like them.

614
00:54:09.660 –> 00:54:10.050
Tim Trabon: My.

615
00:54:10.140 –> 00:54:13.290
Tim Trabon: Like it’s a personal preference I don’t.

616
00:54:13.710 –> 00:54:13.920
I.

617
00:54:15.750 –> 00:54:17.790
Don Kilpatrick: Do not like Disneyland or is that is that.

618
00:54:18.690 –> 00:54:23.490
Tim Trabon: I would say that i’m talking about like the traditional roller coaster theme park.

619
00:54:23.760 –> 00:54:24.540
Don Kilpatrick: Okay you’re not like.

620
00:54:24.570 –> 00:54:36.240
Tim Trabon: Tata universe, I think the universal studios Disneyland they all probably bring a lot to the table that you don’t find that, like a typical like just roller coaster environment.

621
00:54:36.330 –> 00:54:39.150
Don Kilpatrick: yeah you gotta go get a wand and you know Harry Potter and all that.

622
00:54:39.150 –> 00:54:41.280
Tim Trabon: stuff yeah no i’m not knocking on those places.

623
00:54:41.280 –> 00:54:42.900
Don Kilpatrick: dumbledore yeah.

624
00:54:46.770 –> 00:54:47.700
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Thanks and better beer.

625
00:54:48.180 –> 00:54:48.810
Don Kilpatrick: yeah but.

626
00:54:51.270 –> 00:54:58.110
Tim Trabon: You know yeah I just remember going to ocean oceans have fun in Kansas city, when I was like.

627
00:54:59.550 –> 00:55:01.470
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, my God sound good.

628
00:55:02.130 –> 00:55:16.290
Tim Trabon: Well, no, I think probably it’s probably pretty fun, but I just remember every any roller coaster rides that are set on water really bother me because, when you look down you see that there’s like a foot and a half of water and just gears.

629
00:55:19.410 –> 00:55:34.260
Tim Trabon: It just looks you’re just like oh that looks terrible it just looks like it’s designed to crush people like no, thank you, so I yeah that a theme park Cassandra that theme park documentary.

630
00:55:34.560 –> 00:55:36.840
Don Kilpatrick: class action park yeah.

631
00:55:37.020 –> 00:55:39.120
Tim Trabon: Oh yeah that that is why I don’t like it.

632
00:55:39.150 –> 00:55:40.440
Tim Trabon: I have a fear of like.

633
00:55:41.400 –> 00:55:45.570
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I don’t trust that their safety measures are what they supposed to supposed to be kind of thing I.

634
00:55:45.630 –> 00:55:48.570
Tim Trabon: don’t trust I don’t trust the parks don’t trust him.

635
00:55:49.230 –> 00:55:51.900
Don Kilpatrick: yeah I can you trust the mom and.

636
00:55:51.900 –> 00:55:52.860
John English: pop carnival.

637
00:55:53.820 –> 00:55:55.650
Cassandra Loomis Kim: My gosh those are so yet.

638
00:55:55.680 –> 00:56:07.710
Tim Trabon: Like I could never go I could never go skydiving I just don’t I JEREMY cons took me climbing with him a couple times couldn’t I just could I can’t trust the system.

639
00:56:08.250 –> 00:56:17.250
Bill Koeb: Why would anybody jump out of a perfectly good airplane yeah i’m sorry the airplanes up it’s staying up i’m up.

640
00:56:19.350 –> 00:56:19.830
Don Kilpatrick: goes like.

641
00:56:20.760 –> 00:56:21.870
Tim Trabon: Have any of you guys done.

642
00:56:22.920 –> 00:56:23.610
Tim Trabon: skydiving.

643
00:56:23.850 –> 00:56:26.760
Don Kilpatrick: No, no i’ve i’ve i’ve wanted to.

644
00:56:28.140 –> 00:56:28.530
Don Kilpatrick: Good.

645
00:56:30.750 –> 00:56:32.580
Cassandra Loomis Kim: No, I so.

646
00:56:34.290 –> 00:56:43.980
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I, I guess, this is like going to be a long explanation, but so when I was 29 I got a fully detached retina and went blind in my right eye for.

647
00:56:45.000 –> 00:56:54.180
Cassandra Loomis Kim: no reason whatsoever, and so I was very, very lucky, because it was at central vision everything and they managed to get my vision back.

648
00:56:55.620 –> 00:57:00.780
Cassandra Loomis Kim: But it now limits that i’m not allowed to do roller coasters that have the things that come out of your head.

649
00:57:01.140 –> 00:57:01.680
Cassandra Loomis Kim: And I don’t want.

650
00:57:01.830 –> 00:57:05.520
Cassandra Loomis Kim: To go skydiving like there’s just certain requirements and things that i’m not allowed to do now.

651
00:57:07.500 –> 00:57:16.710
Don Kilpatrick: You know I think i’ve had cataract surgery on both of my eyes and I would they didn’t say anything like that, but I would probably be in that same ballpark with you.

652
00:57:17.130 –> 00:57:19.020
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah I like a buckle on my eye now.

653
00:57:21.240 –> 00:57:28.860
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Is there permanently that now, things are reattached but there it’s like another surgery to take it off and they’re just like it’s good.

654
00:57:29.670 –> 00:57:30.480
Tim Trabon: What is a buckle.

655
00:57:31.290 –> 00:57:45.450
Cassandra Loomis Kim: it’s called a scarlet buckle it so it’s you can’t see it because it’s behind like the part of the eye that you can’t see it every day but it’s just wraps around the eyeball and just pushes the rent up back against my eyeball.

656
00:57:47.460 –> 00:57:48.780
Cassandra Loomis Kim: And they stitched it to it.

657
00:57:52.380 –> 00:57:53.700
Don Kilpatrick: yeah so you just.

658
00:57:55.710 –> 00:58:02.940
Don Kilpatrick: I mean I you know after I had my cataract surgery, they were like oh yeah you know just a couple days you can go run on the treadmill.

659
00:58:03.570 –> 00:58:12.930
Don Kilpatrick: I tried running on a treadmill for just a minute and I could just you know I can’t describe how it felt wrong but it felt, you know it’s like my i’m going to take like another week.

660
00:58:13.530 –> 00:58:19.560
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh, I wasn’t allowed to do anything for six weeks I wasn’t allowed to move my head fast, I had to basically lie down.

661
00:58:19.980 –> 00:58:28.200
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I had no depth perception, I was like a scene by in person I couldn’t understand stairs like what part was this way and what part was this way.

662
00:58:28.560 –> 00:58:37.980
Cassandra Loomis Kim: So I like anytime I had to do the stairs it was like I was climbing Everest I would have to kick it to figure out what was what and what was up to be able to just go stairs.

663
00:58:39.330 –> 00:58:45.360
Don Kilpatrick: yeah you know I had a friend who had something somewhere, you know very similar situation yeah.

664
00:58:47.040 –> 00:58:50.910
Don Kilpatrick: yeah that’s that’s just takes time, you know, like.

665
00:58:51.030 –> 00:59:01.380
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah I mean it was terrifying because they’re like Okay, so you have a 30% chance of getting vision back on that I we don’t know if the other ones gonna go well we’re just gonna do the best we can.

666
00:59:02.970 –> 00:59:03.900
Don Kilpatrick: yeah that’s.

667
00:59:05.250 –> 00:59:06.060
Don Kilpatrick: yeah that’s not.

668
00:59:07.530 –> 00:59:12.750
John English: What was the term the gymnast use that Simone use that she had it was like the.

669
00:59:12.960 –> 00:59:15.600
John English: The 20th the toys yeah there you that’s what you had.

670
00:59:15.840 –> 00:59:19.410
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah yeah i’m blanking on it, what is it when you have.

671
00:59:20.610 –> 00:59:22.770
Cassandra Loomis Kim: we’d like your balances off.

672
00:59:23.070 –> 00:59:37.920
Cassandra Loomis Kim: vertigo yeah so with what they did to my eye and it changed the shape of my eye, and so I had vertigo the whole time and I would just like walk into walls and it was a mess.

673
00:59:38.430 –> 00:59:39.990
Bill Koeb: it’s awful so sorry.

674
00:59:40.380 –> 00:59:45.000
Cassandra Loomis Kim: that’s Okay, I mean it’s better and It made me really appreciate that I get to be a visual artist.

675
00:59:45.810 –> 00:59:46.260
Don Kilpatrick: mm hmm.

676
00:59:47.220 –> 00:59:50.730
Cassandra Loomis Kim: You know you don’t take any of that stuff for granted when you lose it for a bit.

677
00:59:51.240 –> 00:59:53.190
Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah yeah it’s.

678
00:59:55.050 –> 00:59:55.770
Don Kilpatrick: Definitely.

679
00:59:59.130 –> 01:00:01.230
Bill Koeb: Like us, it’s a very close, the worst thing, I think.

680
01:00:01.500 –> 01:00:01.830
Oh.

681
01:00:03.600 –> 01:00:04.710
Bill Koeb: i’m sympathetic.

682
01:00:05.070 –> 01:00:06.420
Cassandra Loomis Kim: For anybody that has it.

683
01:00:08.460 –> 01:00:10.860
John English: i’ve never had it, but my dad had it horribly.

684
01:00:12.210 –> 01:00:15.420
John English: Most of it was out for him, it was all caused by inner ear.

685
01:00:16.410 –> 01:00:16.860
yeah.

686
01:00:19.770 –> 01:00:23.760
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah if you have like congestion and your ear canal, you can have it.

687
01:00:28.200 –> 01:00:28.770
yeah.

688
01:00:34.050 –> 01:00:34.950
Don Kilpatrick: Yes, the worse.

689
01:00:35.790 –> 01:00:37.650
Bill Koeb: But the only thing that comes closest to my agree.

690
01:00:38.490 –> 01:00:38.880
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah.

691
01:00:39.660 –> 01:00:41.790
Bill Koeb: You know, or as a coffee migraine you know.

692
01:00:45.030 –> 01:00:45.660
Cassandra Loomis Kim: What migraine.

693
01:00:46.290 –> 01:00:48.120
Bill Koeb: You know, coffee withdrawal migraine.

694
01:00:48.300 –> 01:00:50.190
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah you know.

695
01:00:50.760 –> 01:00:51.390
i’ve seen.

696
01:00:53.550 –> 01:00:57.420
John English: I get a kick out of my father, with his vertigo.

697
01:00:59.490 –> 01:01:08.070
John English: I played tennis with my dad like once or twice a week up until he was about 7073 74 and.

698
01:01:10.110 –> 01:01:15.300
John English: I played I played lots of tennis started very young, it was a pretty decent kind of split.

699
01:01:16.680 –> 01:01:28.680
John English: My father started much later in life, and he loved the fact that we could play doubles with teams were all the players were considerably better than him because I was a lot better than he was.

700
01:01:29.790 –> 01:01:36.360
John English: And he said he started getting vertigo he was a really competitive guy which made it even funnier but.

701
01:01:37.680 –> 01:01:53.010
John English: He was started getting vertigo and some days, he would have it, some days, he wouldn’t and so like if a high ballgame he’d always just say you know take pictures take it take it take it, and so I just got to the point where I just took everything it took everything that went high and.

702
01:01:54.600 –> 01:02:03.810
John English: He would get so mad at me he’s like what don’t you think I can hit that it’s like the head the other day you tried doing that, and you fell down he’s like yeah, but I feel great today.

703
01:02:06.000 –> 01:02:08.220
John English: that’s all we never knew what I was going to get the.

704
01:02:08.310 –> 01:02:09.960
Bill Koeb: Right, how do you know.

705
01:02:10.260 –> 01:02:18.030
John English: yeah how am I supposed to do that and then even when, even when he was good, is already was not good.

706
01:02:21.150 –> 01:02:24.150
Cassandra Loomis Kim: As your loving son, I imagine you like to remind them of that right.

707
01:02:24.330 –> 01:02:32.670
John English: Oh yeah we hit we got it all kinds of arguments over tennis it was hysterical never argued over art or anything else but tennis we argued over all the time, so.

708
01:02:32.730 –> 01:02:34.740
Bill Koeb: You draw really well dad but.

709
01:02:35.940 –> 01:02:36.420
Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

710
01:02:38.160 –> 01:02:40.320
John English: yeah Let me take care of this tennis thing here.

711
01:02:40.380 –> 01:02:41.640
Bill Koeb: You can have skills or week.

712
01:02:42.720 –> 01:02:43.410
John English: Plus, I was.

713
01:02:43.560 –> 01:02:45.270
Don Kilpatrick: 30 years younger than him to so.

714
01:02:49.380 –> 01:02:49.860
John English: We played.

715
01:02:50.010 –> 01:02:56.850
John English: We played doubles with a couple of guys for years that they would both put him cigarettes in their hands why they were.

716
01:03:01.140 –> 01:03:03.330
John English: incredibly good to one.

717
01:03:04.110 –> 01:03:17.550
John English: Whatever one of them was just amazing athlete he was a captain in US basketball team, but like in 1962 and he just amazingly good athlete had great i’d hand coordination.

718
01:03:18.330 –> 01:03:29.070
John English: And started playing doubles with them, I started playing doubles with them without my father years before, and then it became a very even match.

719
01:03:29.580 –> 01:03:44.310
John English: As he got older and my father got older, and so my dad and I would play with these two guys all the time, and it was hysterical they would they would smoke it one of them, but you know they put their cigarette down to serve and what they were incredibly good.

720
01:03:45.450 –> 01:03:47.160
John English: hard to believe, but they were.

721
01:03:48.090 –> 01:03:50.700
Bill Koeb: They were very hot in your really good I guess smoking.

722
01:03:52.740 –> 01:03:54.660
John English: Because yeah.

723
01:03:56.160 –> 01:03:56.700
John English: that’s right.

724
01:03:58.440 –> 01:03:58.560
I.

725
01:04:00.240 –> 01:04:07.770
John English: used to I wouldn’t let my my dad had that habit of smoking and nobody in our family would let them smoke around.

726
01:04:08.790 –> 01:04:14.010
John English: US and he would get rid of it really bothered and it’s like well they’re smoking, I cannot.

727
01:04:17.310 –> 01:04:20.790
Cassandra Loomis Kim: sounds like when you know when you turn into the parent of your parents kind of a.

728
01:04:20.850 –> 01:04:24.960
John English: Oh absolutely yeah that is definitely reversal enrolls.

729
01:04:26.370 –> 01:04:27.120
John English: You can’t do that.

730
01:04:30.780 –> 01:04:32.970
Bill Koeb: it’s like when you tell your parents you can’t say that anymore.

731
01:04:34.770 –> 01:04:35.160
John English: yeah.

732
01:04:36.990 –> 01:04:41.760
John English: Those guys are killing me they’re so perfect turning into parents.

733
01:04:43.080 –> 01:04:43.740
Bill Koeb: Oh God.

734
01:04:45.270 –> 01:04:45.630
Bill Koeb: We all.

735
01:04:46.170 –> 01:04:47.520
Don Kilpatrick: Know cousin.

736
01:04:48.630 –> 01:04:50.280
John English: Just throws it into the trash.

737
01:04:50.340 –> 01:04:50.700
yeah.

738
01:04:52.080 –> 01:04:53.310
Don Kilpatrick: I think my favorite part.

739
01:04:55.260 –> 01:04:56.970
John English: But my favorite ones, the blue hair.

740
01:04:59.130 –> 01:05:01.020
John English: y’all see it see it.

741
01:05:02.970 –> 01:05:06.750
Tim Trabon: hey we’re I think we’re ready to move on to the third image.

742
01:05:09.780 –> 01:05:10.200
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Are we.

743
01:05:10.380 –> 01:05:11.910
Tim Trabon: Actually don’t think I know that we are.

744
01:05:12.990 –> 01:05:15.300
John English: that’s that’s really unfortunate you brought that up.

745
01:05:15.930 –> 01:05:20.760
Tim Trabon: yeah now so if you’re ready to move on, like all of our panelists.

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Tim Trabon: Please post your work hashtag illustration isolation visual arts passage.

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01:05:29.430 –> 01:05:34.500
Tim Trabon: Be sure to post it now don’t wait till the end you probably won’t be fast enough posted now.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: it’s true and we’d love to see at what everyone does and how y’all keep my body every week you’re.

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01:05:41.580 –> 01:05:42.960
Don Kilpatrick: Raising work up there.

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Bill Koeb: Speaking of kicking butt man this next pose.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah.

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John English: And I just started getting this last one.

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01:06:09.840 –> 01:06:15.810
Cassandra Loomis Kim: So I started watching Has anybody watched from cradle the stage at all.

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Bill Koeb: No, no.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh it’s so fun it’s so David girls mom wrote the book originally everyone always asked her you know did she see something special in her son David grohl before he became the musician that he did or in so she just kind of.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: found it interesting, all the same questions that she always got asked so she decided to go talk to other moms of famous musicians and see what they you know their experience was with their son and and the book did really well, and so they made it into a docu series and.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: So now it’s like every episode is David grohl and his mom interviewing a different musician with their mom.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh that’s cool.

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01:07:04.230 –> 01:07:05.190
Don Kilpatrick: Where can you find it.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: On what is it I think it’s paramount now.

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Don Kilpatrick: Oh parallel plus.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: or say gay yeah.

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Tim Trabon: Cassandra that’s so funny that you say that because there’s a.

764
01:07:21.180 –> 01:07:30.450
Tim Trabon: Family friend of ours, who her son when he was he’s gone on to become an incredible drummer.

765
01:07:31.680 –> 01:07:34.080
Tim Trabon: he’s i’m sure he’s like in his mid 20s now.

766
01:07:35.160 –> 01:07:37.260
Tim Trabon: It a little bit younger than me, but he.

767
01:07:38.580 –> 01:07:50.910
Tim Trabon: Early on, when he became the drummer for American idol he’s gone on tour now with Drake as a drummer so he does like arena shows and he’s about as successful as you can get as a drummer and.

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Tim Trabon: And I I was talking with somebody I was talking with her about it, like how did you what did you how did you know I mean basically just kind of exactly what you’re talking about.

769
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Tim Trabon: yeah good she took him into a up she bought him a drum set when he was really young and then took him into a music store and.

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Tim Trabon: She said they were there for like they he went to a second class and the teacher just said, I can’t teach your son anymore he’s he’s he’s going to be better than me and like a couple of days, oh.

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01:08:25.980 –> 01:08:27.120
Tim Trabon: wow and.

772
01:08:28.140 –> 01:08:35.490
Tim Trabon: He said, all I can say is whatever this kid wants to listen to you by him that CD.

773
01:08:37.770 –> 01:08:38.070
Tim Trabon: Just.

774
01:08:38.730 –> 01:08:39.960
Tim Trabon: said don’t put.

775
01:08:40.110 –> 01:08:44.550
Tim Trabon: Any barriers up for this kid if he likes listening to a certain type of music give it to her.

776
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Tim Trabon: and give it as much of it as possible to her.

777
01:08:51.210 –> 01:08:59.190
Tim Trabon: But yeah just I, it was this, he was like a prodigy situation now just wildly talented yeah.

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01:08:59.730 –> 01:09:02.400
Bill Koeb: that’s so interesting to me that whole phenomena that.

779
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Somebody some people just.

780
01:09:06.300 –> 01:09:07.560
Bill Koeb: Take to something.

781
01:09:09.270 –> 01:09:11.400
Bill Koeb: You know, they just have an affinity for it.

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01:09:13.740 –> 01:09:22.530
Tim Trabon: yeah I I don’t know I don’t know the particulars of like his talent, but I think at his age, it was mimicry like.

783
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Tim Trabon: I think that that’s very common like with piano.

784
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yeah.

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01:09:30.450 –> 01:09:32.520
Tim Trabon: I don’t I don’t know if it’s super interesting now.

786
01:09:32.580 –> 01:09:35.790
Bill Koeb: But even so I mean that’s just kind of an amazing thing because.

787
01:09:37.980 –> 01:09:39.360
Bill Koeb: there’s that kid that was.

788
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Bill Koeb: he’s not a kid anymore, but he was on 60 minutes several years ago, he was a piano prodigy.

789
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and

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Tim Trabon: I forget exactly what his disability was I remember that bill.

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Tim Trabon: You know yeah.

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Bill Koeb: I was telling my dad.

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Bill Koeb: Sorry yeah no.

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Tim Trabon: Totally I was telling my dad about this conversation that I.

795
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Tim Trabon: Had and I said you remember, because I grew up, we talked about this last week I grew up very like satanic panic so like we weren’t.

796
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Tim Trabon: Our school metallica was banned at our school.

797
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Tim Trabon: Like.

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Tim Trabon: You didn’t have a metallica CD I mean it’s wild that they would ban it like if you had the CD in your backpack you would get in trouble.

799
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Tim Trabon: Right like, but it was banned and parents, I think, like news in media like psyched parents out into thinking that they could potentially expose their kids like the rock video game.

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Tim Trabon: or music or movie and it would like ruin them and I told my dad I was like here how many CDs, you were like no you can’t you can’t buy the new m&m album or whatever, because it’s it’s you know, whatever it’s bad and he goes yeah you also weren’t a prodigy.

801
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Tim Trabon: He was like yeah he comes with special treatment when you’re proud of.

802
01:11:10.980 –> 01:11:13.500
Tim Trabon: You get all that out, you get all the albums he wants.

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John English: here’s an.

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01:11:17.070 –> 01:11:18.870
John English: Interesting thought about that it’s like.

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01:11:20.040 –> 01:11:23.940
John English: name a visual artists, that was a prodigy oh.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: I can actually does anybody follow josh testing.

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01:11:28.050 –> 01:11:28.350
Don Kilpatrick: it’s like.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: You know you think Picasso, but it does anybody know josh testing.

809
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Don Kilpatrick: No yeah.

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01:11:33.690 –> 01:11:51.330
Cassandra Loomis Kim: he’s he’s young and and already wildly successful, but he he was actually studied as a kid because he was already having like solar shows at 15 and so he was studied and like at like this guy was doing a whole thing on prodigies and so.

811
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: He was proven to be a prodigy and his brother is a music prodigy.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: And so I heard him talk on art affairs, and it was just fascinating to hear about like being being deemed a prodigy and he’s just like basically it just means you’re on a professional level at when you’re still considered a child.

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John English: it’s really interesting, you said that because young Picasso I really don’t we don’t really know if I mean there’s.

814
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John English: there’s really not any.

815
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Bill Koeb: I think I think he was probably a private.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: But he was a creepy one.

817
01:12:30.270 –> 01:12:31.710
Bill Koeb: Now, when he was 10.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: He probably was a little creepy kid I.

819
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: mean amazing but.

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Tim Trabon: john do you think that has anything to do with like.

821
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Tim Trabon: Like if I think of like Beethoven right if, like if, like a four year old can play Beethoven perfectly right.

822
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Tim Trabon: You say well that’s the product it’s very.

823
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Tim Trabon: it’s almost Objective I mean it’s as objective as you can get in the audience, whereas with illustration.

824
01:13:03.480 –> 01:13:08.040
Tim Trabon: I feel like that would be harder to have an objective example of like a wonder can.

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01:13:10.080 –> 01:13:10.290
John English: yeah.

826
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Tim Trabon: So, and so they they maybe don’t rise to that.

827
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Tim Trabon: You know, does that make sense.

828
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John English: yeah, I think, so I illustration, or even more so painting.

829
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John English: But I.

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John English: they’re just really hasn’t been anybody that.

831
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John English: Over time over history is just you know, besides, because who and maybe a few that you know bill that you mentioned, you know, maybe medically it might have been to.

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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Russia Russia would have been.

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01:13:41.340 –> 01:13:44.070
John English: yeah I don’t know I think I just think they they.

834
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John English: They just started, you know some it’s it’s so much of its just acquired knowledge.

835
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John English: and

836
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John English: They just started young and worked at it really hard.

837
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yeah.

838
01:13:59.130 –> 01:14:04.740
Bill Koeb: I mean that’s why she looking to mind, because I looked at the things he did when he was like 10 or 11 or 12 years old.

839
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Don Kilpatrick: Well didn’t he he died at 30 Monday yeah.

840
01:14:09.540 –> 01:14:11.730
Bill Koeb: yeah um but he.

841
01:14:12.270 –> 01:14:13.500
John English: Only have 27.

842
01:14:14.100 –> 01:14:17.160
Tim Trabon: Oh yeah I think that the prodigies probably exists.

843
01:14:17.220 –> 01:14:19.080
Tim Trabon: But they’re just not rising to the.

844
01:14:20.670 –> 01:14:22.440
Tim Trabon: The decision of everybody, because.

845
01:14:22.590 –> 01:14:24.480
Don Kilpatrick: People are just not aware of them, maybe I mean.

846
01:14:24.720 –> 01:14:28.080
Don Kilpatrick: yeah I could see that but I don’t know that’s I think it’s a tough one.

847
01:14:28.830 –> 01:14:30.780
Don Kilpatrick: Because I mean I look at you know I look at.

848
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Don Kilpatrick: Their you know he wasn’t like 10 years old, or something, but when you look at when I think at James gene i’m like Oh, my goodness, how does somebody like just intuitively.

849
01:14:42.210 –> 01:14:45.510
Don Kilpatrick: I just watching him draw was like whoa you know.

850
01:14:46.080 –> 01:14:48.930
Bill Koeb: I was actually thinking about him when when you know.

851
01:14:50.400 –> 01:14:54.510
Bill Koeb: or what’s the guy’s name, address and ink kind of starts from one.

852
01:14:54.630 –> 01:14:55.770
Don Kilpatrick: Oh Kim Jong g.

853
01:14:56.190 –> 01:14:57.390
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh yeah.

854
01:14:58.200 –> 01:15:01.770
Don Kilpatrick: I mean he’s you know I mean I know he’s not like 10 years old he’s.

855
01:15:02.850 –> 01:15:08.070
Don Kilpatrick: gosh what probably in his i’d say maybe 40s 50s or something but he’s.

856
01:15:09.600 –> 01:15:17.700
Don Kilpatrick: Again, watching him at a convention drive is like I don’t know just how he’s connecting with things and in just it’s pretty it’s.

857
01:15:18.690 –> 01:15:21.180
John English: it’s a it’s a really amazing skill set.

858
01:15:22.740 –> 01:15:37.860
John English: And this is no knock against him, I mean the guys in just a freak of talents, I mean just amazing how talented and how capable, he is but it’s I mean, would you put him down as your favorite artists, no it’s just like it’s not.

859
01:15:38.580 –> 01:15:45.510
John English: yeah it’s it’s almost like a parlor trick, you know I mean I don’t want to belittle it because he’s.

860
01:15:45.990 –> 01:15:46.860
John English: an artist, I mean.

861
01:15:47.550 –> 01:15:54.660
Tim Trabon: That that john that’s like very I would say, with in music round that’s often like it’s.

862
01:15:56.130 –> 01:16:08.130
Tim Trabon: it’s an interesting thing because, like, I mean many of the child prodigies of like pianist prodigies right they’re not like best they’re not on like the best 100 classical.

863
01:16:09.000 –> 01:16:16.680
Tim Trabon: Like it’s not something you’re going to like oh I love listening to this nine year old on spotify play Beethoven great.

864
01:16:17.130 –> 01:16:18.120
Don Kilpatrick: yeah that’s good.

865
01:16:18.180 –> 01:16:18.840
Cassandra Loomis Kim: What about like.

866
01:16:19.530 –> 01:16:23.160
Tim Trabon: mimicry and it’s amazing it’s amazing but yeah.

867
01:16:23.220 –> 01:16:27.570
John English: I mean Kim junkies is amazing, I mean I mean I was blown away watching that guy.

868
01:16:28.170 –> 01:16:41.610
Cassandra Loomis Kim: So I think what he draws is amazing, and I love the scenes, but I also say it’s part performance art, because my husband and I just kept watching his videos over and over one evening or just like going through a bunch because it was just enthralling.

869
01:16:42.780 –> 01:16:43.260
Don Kilpatrick: mm hmm.

870
01:16:44.880 –> 01:16:51.690
Don Kilpatrick: yeah I think that’s the totally disagree, you know you’re putting into words what I was trying to articulate there.

871
01:16:52.350 –> 01:17:03.120
Tim Trabon: I I really like reading about like wunderkind prodigy people like john legend that’s a great one he’s he I did not know he went to college and he was like.

872
01:17:04.650 –> 01:17:07.770
Tim Trabon: Did you graduated college and he was like 16 or something.

873
01:17:08.850 –> 01:17:09.210
Bill Koeb: wow.

874
01:17:11.640 –> 01:17:16.380
Tim Trabon: yeah and just like phenomenally yeah i’m trying to think of other.

875
01:17:16.830 –> 01:17:17.790
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Charlotte church.

876
01:17:18.960 –> 01:17:24.840
John English: yeah i’ll tell you somebody that we’re familiar with it, I was shocked by.

877
01:17:25.890 –> 01:17:31.950
John English: Their capabilities when they were entering college and in college and that’s audrey.

878
01:17:32.550 –> 01:17:33.120
Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah.

879
01:17:33.480 –> 01:17:34.500
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah I believe that.

880
01:17:34.620 –> 01:17:38.520
John English: Oh God, I mean she was doing things that.

881
01:17:38.580 –> 01:17:41.100
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Is that a professional level just enter sketchbooks.

882
01:17:41.910 –> 01:17:43.380
Bill Koeb: And she has an understanding.

883
01:17:43.770 –> 01:17:44.730
Don Kilpatrick: I can agree with that.

884
01:17:45.090 –> 01:17:48.840
Bill Koeb: I don’t have an understanding of what she’s doing and.

885
01:17:50.610 –> 01:17:51.870
Bill Koeb: Power of images.

886
01:17:52.980 –> 01:17:54.990
Bill Koeb: picture, making craft.

887
01:17:56.310 –> 01:17:57.060
John English: yeah she.

888
01:17:57.540 –> 01:17:58.860
Tim Trabon: doesn’t know, though audrey is a.

889
01:17:59.310 –> 01:18:01.230
Tim Trabon: Full issues, an adult now.

890
01:18:03.780 –> 01:18:06.480
Tim Trabon: I just didn’t want I didn’t want us to confuse anything.

891
01:18:07.680 –> 01:18:10.530
Tim Trabon: yeah but yeah.

892
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: you’re in her when she was doing her talk and that first one for studio bridge like it was just seeing her sketchbooks and the level they were at when she was high school and college going into college just blew my mind yeah.

893
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Tim Trabon: I had the full name either even jamison person asking.

894
01:18:35.130 –> 01:18:43.710
Cassandra Loomis Kim: She is she’s on the panel here, sometimes, and she teaches classes through visual passage and she’s phenomenal yeah and wins awards right and left.

895
01:18:44.250 –> 01:18:50.880
John English: yeah and one of my favorite people on planet, I mean just a really great person really like her.

896
01:18:54.630 –> 01:18:59.220
Bill Koeb: I think I think was the whole mercury thing like.

897
01:19:00.780 –> 01:19:05.010
Bill Koeb: That to me that that kind of blows me away yeah.

898
01:19:05.400 –> 01:19:14.340
Bill Koeb: yeah most with art and music but it’s the people that it’s the people that can at a very young age can take that and then alter it.

899
01:19:15.360 –> 01:19:16.980
Bill Koeb: and make something new, out of it.

900
01:19:18.000 –> 01:19:19.050
Bill Koeb: works.

901
01:19:19.410 –> 01:19:22.530
Bill Koeb: And somehow the brain understands.

902
01:19:24.030 –> 01:19:26.760
Bill Koeb: What they’re doing, and then, some of them can articulate it.

903
01:19:27.630 –> 01:19:31.500
Tim Trabon: it’s not it’s not it’s definitely not always right.

904
01:19:31.650 –> 01:19:34.500
Bill Koeb: But yeah but it starts that way, but with.

905
01:19:37.080 –> 01:19:39.480
Bill Koeb: I mean, because this is a special case because he.

906
01:19:40.830 –> 01:19:45.210
Bill Koeb: Despite the fact that he started really young and he had an exposure to.

907
01:19:49.050 –> 01:19:54.930
Bill Koeb: To you know to picture, making art and drawing it really young he also stopped doing that.

908
01:19:56.070 –> 01:19:57.090
Bill Koeb: fairly early on.

909
01:19:58.620 –> 01:20:02.970
Bill Koeb: And then went on to reinvent what he was doing several times over.

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01:20:04.380 –> 01:20:06.960
John English: And over alter heard history.

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01:20:07.650 –> 01:20:08.910
Bill Koeb: yeah yeah and.

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01:20:10.050 –> 01:20:17.250
Bill Koeb: I mean there’s a lot of artists that did that that kind of around that time like plump definitely did that and sheila did that, but not, you know.

913
01:20:18.540 –> 01:20:20.850
Bill Koeb: Who knows what sheila would have done, had he lived longer but.

914
01:20:23.160 –> 01:20:27.420
Tim Trabon: I don’t mean to throw a wrench in this conversation, but does someone have like a cricket in their studio.

915
01:20:30.510 –> 01:20:30.930
Tim Trabon: That like.

916
01:20:31.170 –> 01:20:33.690
Cassandra Loomis Kim: i’m trying, I was trying to figure out if it was mine or somebody else it.

917
01:20:33.720 –> 01:20:35.550
Bill Koeb: might be might hang on Let me close my window.

918
01:20:37.980 –> 01:20:40.770
Tim Trabon: I just heard, like a is just like a whistling.

919
01:20:40.800 –> 01:20:41.280
Tim Trabon: Sound oh.

920
01:20:41.340 –> 01:20:42.690
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I know I was trying to figure out a.

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01:20:43.530 –> 01:20:44.400
Bill Koeb: Thank you rid of it.

922
01:20:44.970 –> 01:20:45.750
Tim Trabon: I think so.

923
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Bill Koeb: yeah That was my students so.

924
01:20:47.730 –> 01:20:48.360
Sorry.

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01:20:49.440 –> 01:20:50.310
Tim Trabon: uh when China.

926
01:20:51.030 –> 01:20:52.290
Bill Koeb: Just crickets outside.

927
01:20:52.680 –> 01:20:53.940
Tim Trabon: Oh really Oh, is a cricket.

928
01:20:54.990 –> 01:20:55.290
Bill Koeb: pitch.

929
01:20:56.550 –> 01:20:59.460
Bill Koeb: They were playing Mozart, but you know.

930
01:21:00.030 –> 01:21:00.540
yeah.

931
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like back to the mimicry I feel like that’s a part of the process of learning you look at.

932
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Cassandra Loomis Kim: us better artists and you, you kind of emulate and you emulate several of them until you kind of find your own style because you.

933
01:21:15.780 –> 01:21:17.400
Cassandra Loomis Kim: have enough inspiration from so many.

934
01:21:17.400 –> 01:21:22.200
Bill Koeb: Other artists right but there’s also things that you like some people.

935
01:21:24.330 –> 01:21:31.080
Bill Koeb: And this frustrated me early on, because I could I could mimic to an extent, but there were things that I didn’t understand.

936
01:21:32.100 –> 01:21:42.180
Bill Koeb: about drawing and anatomy and structure, you know that I could see in other people’s work and it wasn’t until after I studied those things.

937
01:21:43.080 –> 01:21:45.810
Bill Koeb: there and then and then drew a lot.

938
01:21:47.130 –> 01:21:49.080
Tim Trabon: Those things start to fall into place.

939
01:21:49.140 –> 01:21:56.850
Tim Trabon: that’s really interesting, so you know, and this is a question that I think might be kind of relevant to illustration, but.

940
01:21:57.750 –> 01:22:15.570
Tim Trabon: We john we’ve had so many conversations about style and finding your own style, and this is not an illustrator but as a filmmaker Steven soderbergh who like he’s like one of the only filmmakers that if I see his movies they’re almost always really great.

941
01:22:16.860 –> 01:22:18.810
Tim Trabon: But they’re like never the same.

942
01:22:19.890 –> 01:22:20.220
Cassandra Loomis Kim: i’m.

943
01:22:20.790 –> 01:22:26.340
Tim Trabon: Like it they’re so unique each one is like a different style.

944
01:22:27.630 –> 01:22:28.260
Tim Trabon: and

945
01:22:29.700 –> 01:22:36.810
Tim Trabon: I just I don’t know I found that really interesting like there’s no like oh it’s very no one’s ever going to say it was Steven soderbergh ask.

946
01:22:37.410 –> 01:22:38.130
Bill Koeb: right because.

947
01:22:38.340 –> 01:22:39.720
Bill Koeb: yeah no I totally but.

948
01:22:39.720 –> 01:22:41.220
Tim Trabon: he’s iconic still.

949
01:22:41.670 –> 01:22:58.410
Don Kilpatrick: Now yeah like is there’s room for that you know yeah I think it’s I think it’s Nice that there’s room for that, because I, you know granted I you know look scorsese all these others, but in some ways I kind of prefer that I think it’s it’s interesting that he’s he’s willing to.

950
01:22:59.550 –> 01:23:04.050
Don Kilpatrick: I think it’s good to have that variety, I guess, I think it’s good that there’s space for both yeah.

951
01:23:06.150 –> 01:23:08.640
Bill Koeb: john that there are there, this amazing.

952
01:23:08.850 –> 01:23:10.620
Tim Trabon: or their visual artists that come to mind.

953
01:23:11.820 –> 01:23:13.440
Tim Trabon: on that topic.

954
01:23:15.600 –> 01:23:22.110
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Well, I feel like you could talk about them in series, I mean just like we were talking about Picasso yeah.

955
01:23:25.230 –> 01:23:32.760
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I mean we you know you, you can follow along certain artists in their career and see them completely shift styles, but.

956
01:23:33.150 –> 01:23:40.500
Cassandra Loomis Kim: You know, Stephen said of work you’re talking about just like every single movie so I don’t I think it’s hard to have a consistent career, if your paintings are always changing.

957
01:23:41.700 –> 01:23:51.300
Tim Trabon: yeah I mean his his work it’s like it’s like almost like it kind of makes me think of like mimicry because, like a lot of times, he just like he picks it and grabs it and runs with it.

958
01:23:53.250 –> 01:23:54.600
Tim Trabon: No, no yeah.

959
01:23:56.310 –> 01:23:57.780
Don Kilpatrick: You have you seen his latest.

960
01:23:59.400 –> 01:24:00.510
Tim Trabon: With one is it.

961
01:24:01.020 –> 01:24:04.290
Don Kilpatrick: don cheadle I can’t remember the title right now.

962
01:24:04.710 –> 01:24:05.400
Tim Trabon: Oh yeah.

963
01:24:05.670 –> 01:24:07.380
Don Kilpatrick: The watch haven’t watched it yet and I.

964
01:24:07.560 –> 01:24:07.830
said.

965
01:24:08.970 –> 01:24:10.440
Don Kilpatrick: i’ve heard really great things about it.

966
01:24:10.680 –> 01:24:14.970
Tim Trabon: I bet it’s great it’s been shared out around don cheadle can’t can’t.

967
01:24:15.300 –> 01:24:15.900
John English: go wrong.

968
01:24:16.440 –> 01:24:18.540
Tim Trabon: Kansas city zone don cheadle.

969
01:24:19.350 –> 01:24:22.200
Bill Koeb: You know, do you know Alan parker’s films.

970
01:24:22.800 –> 01:24:23.250
Don Kilpatrick: Now.

971
01:24:23.550 –> 01:24:26.160
Bill Koeb: He did the commitments and he did.

972
01:24:26.520 –> 01:24:27.840
Don Kilpatrick: The one of the commandments.

973
01:24:29.370 –> 01:24:31.350
Bill Koeb: The pink floyd movie the wall and he yeah.

974
01:24:32.640 –> 01:24:33.630
Bill Koeb: He did birdie.

975
01:24:34.560 –> 01:24:35.460
John English: I love that movie.

976
01:24:35.790 –> 01:24:36.660
Bill Koeb: angel heart.

977
01:24:39.000 –> 01:24:42.120
Bill Koeb: And all of those are are brilliant movies.

978
01:24:43.440 –> 01:24:44.730
Bill Koeb: But they’re all very different.

979
01:24:46.080 –> 01:24:48.450
Bill Koeb: You know, and he just.

980
01:24:50.640 –> 01:24:53.820
Bill Koeb: His his work just had this high level of excellence.

981
01:24:54.930 –> 01:24:56.850
Bill Koeb: You know, did you say you love birdie john.

982
01:24:57.060 –> 01:24:57.750
John English: love it.

983
01:24:58.260 –> 01:25:00.120
Bill Koeb: I love that movie such a great movie.

984
01:25:01.830 –> 01:25:03.480
Bill Koeb: and listen to that movie.

985
01:25:04.020 –> 01:25:07.830
John English: Who did who did the movie racing racing with the moon.

986
01:25:10.890 –> 01:25:15.570
John English: It was a That was a great, but it was about the same time Sean penn and Nicolas cage.

987
01:25:17.550 –> 01:25:18.990
John English: The movie I really, really liked.

988
01:25:24.210 –> 01:25:24.990
Tim Trabon: I I.

989
01:25:25.170 –> 01:25:27.570
Tim Trabon: I have a heartache I think Nicolas cage.

990
01:25:30.390 –> 01:25:36.690
Tim Trabon: Like even now, I think he is going to go down as like one of the most iconic actors.

991
01:25:38.160 –> 01:25:40.050
Tim Trabon: Just he gets made fun of the.

992
01:25:40.350 –> 01:25:43.470
Tim Trabon: day I think he’s amazing.

993
01:25:44.280 –> 01:25:47.550
Tim Trabon: To even even the silly stuff now.

994
01:25:48.810 –> 01:25:50.370
Bill Koeb: he’s like the American Michael caine.

995
01:25:51.780 –> 01:25:53.070
Don Kilpatrick: Oh, it.

996
01:25:53.460 –> 01:25:54.360
Bill Koeb: does anything.

997
01:25:55.290 –> 01:26:05.400
Tim Trabon: Okay, I think that there are a few people who, just like they just enjoy working I was talking about a buddy of this buddy mine about this like yesterday I was like.

998
01:26:06.510 –> 01:26:09.840
Tim Trabon: How many terrible movies, Robert de niro has done in the.

999
01:26:09.840 –> 01:26:10.380
past.

1000
01:26:12.690 –> 01:26:26.670
Tim Trabon: But he’s still an a list actor like he’s cemented as an a list actor yeah and it’s like the same thing with Al pacino like they just do bad movie after bad movie but there’s still a list, and I think it’s just because they like working.

1001
01:26:27.510 –> 01:26:28.380
Cassandra Loomis Kim: With about like.

1002
01:26:28.560 –> 01:26:34.020
Cassandra Loomis Kim: matt damon randomly like pops up uncredited and movies, all the time.

1003
01:26:35.370 –> 01:26:36.660
Tim Trabon: that’s always really weird.

1004
01:26:38.130 –> 01:26:43.740
Tim Trabon: For me, I love matt damon hey hey before we dig into matt damon we.

1005
01:26:44.610 –> 01:26:47.100
Tim Trabon: Are we’re at the end of the third coast.

1006
01:26:47.160 –> 01:26:49.170
Tim Trabon: So everybody needs to get ready for the.

1007
01:26:49.200 –> 01:26:50.280
Last pose.

1008
01:26:51.570 –> 01:26:56.310
Tim Trabon: So post your work, get ready don’t keep drawing the surfer like john.

1009
01:26:57.960 –> 01:26:59.310
Bill Koeb: said I really love that drone.

1010
01:26:59.700 –> 01:27:01.230
Tim Trabon: It looks great so.

1011
01:27:02.880 –> 01:27:03.240
John English: brain.

1012
01:27:04.470 –> 01:27:05.820
John English: Brain dead from growing.

1013
01:27:06.150 –> 01:27:06.720
Oh yeah.

1014
01:27:09.360 –> 01:27:09.930
Tim Trabon: All right.

1015
01:27:10.380 –> 01:27:11.130
Tim Trabon: Right what.

1016
01:27:11.790 –> 01:27:14.670
Tim Trabon: You were you had something bad to say about.

1017
01:27:16.350 –> 01:27:16.980
Tim Trabon: matt damon.

1018
01:27:17.520 –> 01:27:19.260
Bill Koeb: If you just creeps me out I don’t know.

1019
01:27:19.530 –> 01:27:20.610
Cassandra Loomis Kim: He creeps you out.

1020
01:27:20.610 –> 01:27:27.060
Bill Koeb: Really, he just there’s just something about him that kind of creeps me out i’m like I think it was from watching.

1021
01:27:28.650 –> 01:27:29.670
Bill Koeb: talented Mr ripley.

1022
01:27:30.480 –> 01:27:31.170
Bill Koeb: No.

1023
01:27:31.740 –> 01:27:33.540
Bill Koeb: No matt didn’t know matt damon.

1024
01:27:33.720 –> 01:27:35.610
Bill Koeb: You know i’m thinking i’m thinking of matt Dillon.

1025
01:27:35.820 –> 01:27:37.170
Don Kilpatrick: i’m sorry okay.

1026
01:27:40.050 –> 01:27:40.440
Bill Koeb: yeah.

1027
01:27:40.500 –> 01:27:45.060
Don Kilpatrick: I like now that know if you heard of mess amen.

1028
01:27:47.070 –> 01:27:56.910
Don Kilpatrick: So so there’s that actor that’s in breaking bad he’s kind of the op psycho kid sorry, you know it’s been a long time people so sorry.

1029
01:27:56.910 –> 01:27:57.240
Bill Koeb: about this.

1030
01:27:58.620 –> 01:28:13.380
Don Kilpatrick: But you know he’s he’s kind of he has that kind of looks really like a really cycle young kid he’s he’s with the bad guys anyway, everyone he looks a lot like matt damon and everyone I just learned this through the day everyone calls him meth damon.

1031
01:28:14.460 –> 01:28:15.960
Tim Trabon: Jesse Jesse clemens.

1032
01:28:17.160 –> 01:28:21.210
Don Kilpatrick: yeah he’s got really blonde here you put you just has like kind of a psycho face.

1033
01:28:21.450 –> 01:28:23.250
Tim Trabon: yeah Jesse Jesse clements.

1034
01:28:23.280 –> 01:28:23.820
For sure.

1035
01:28:25.470 –> 01:28:25.890
Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

1036
01:28:26.370 –> 01:28:30.630
Cassandra Loomis Kim: He has enough like yeah you know my friend don’t the psycho debbie’s.

1037
01:28:34.140 –> 01:28:34.710
Don Kilpatrick: Does it mean.

1038
01:28:35.040 –> 01:28:41.040
Don Kilpatrick: When you talk about creepy so it, you know bill when you’re talking about how matt damon creep said I I immediately thought of Jesse planets.

1039
01:28:41.070 –> 01:28:42.900
Tim Trabon: or you’re just like oh just wait.

1040
01:28:44.280 –> 01:28:46.530
Bill Koeb: i’m sorry it was matt Dillon you create new Christmas.

1041
01:28:48.000 –> 01:28:49.140
John English: kind of like matt Dillon.

1042
01:28:50.130 –> 01:28:53.310
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I just always expect him to have big teeth like something about Mary.

1043
01:28:53.520 –> 01:28:55.050
John English: Oh, my gosh she was great in that.

1044
01:28:55.230 –> 01:28:55.860
Bill Koeb: I loved him.

1045
01:28:57.450 –> 01:28:57.810
Bill Koeb: But.

1046
01:28:58.200 –> 01:28:58.410
Why.

1047
01:29:00.630 –> 01:29:02.640
Bill Koeb: Was that one wild things or whatever.

1048
01:29:03.090 –> 01:29:04.140
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I never saw that one.

1049
01:29:04.200 –> 01:29:05.730
John English: yeah I didn’t get into that but.

1050
01:29:06.870 –> 01:29:10.440
John English: yeah but think about like the outsiders and rumble fish and.

1051
01:29:10.950 –> 01:29:12.630
John English: All of that stuff he was great in that.

1052
01:29:12.720 –> 01:29:13.020
yeah.

1053
01:29:14.070 –> 01:29:16.950
Tim Trabon: He was so handsome teach.

1054
01:29:17.040 –> 01:29:17.340
Is.

1055
01:29:20.760 –> 01:29:22.710
Bill Koeb: racing with the moon was Richard Benjamin.

1056
01:29:23.550 –> 01:29:27.510
Bill Koeb: man who is married to Paul apprentice and Richard Benjamin was in westworld.

1057
01:29:30.060 –> 01:29:30.630
Cassandra Loomis Kim: old one.

1058
01:29:31.020 –> 01:29:35.490
Bill Koeb: The old one yeah he’s the actor who lived it was Richard Benjamin and.

1059
01:29:36.540 –> 01:29:37.410
Bill Koeb: James brolin.

1060
01:29:39.240 –> 01:29:42.510
Bill Koeb: that’s the director of racing with the moon.

1061
01:29:45.870 –> 01:29:47.760
John English: Nice movie yeah.

1062
01:29:48.600 –> 01:29:50.190
Bill Koeb: isn’t reese witherspoon in that one.

1063
01:29:52.650 –> 01:29:53.190
John English: Remember.

1064
01:29:56.160 –> 01:29:57.660
John English: What was the what was the name it was.

1065
01:29:58.770 –> 01:30:00.000
John English: crazy movie about.

1066
01:30:03.930 –> 01:30:06.600
John English: The vampire the kiss the vampires kiss the.

1067
01:30:07.650 –> 01:30:08.040
John English: Oh.

1068
01:30:09.510 –> 01:30:10.260
John English: Well, he said.

1069
01:30:12.630 –> 01:30:18.210
John English: When he was the editor in the book editor in New York and at night he, like.

1070
01:30:19.350 –> 01:30:20.070
Cassandra Loomis Kim: vampires vampire.

1071
01:30:20.250 –> 01:30:21.030
John English: No, no, no.

1072
01:30:22.170 –> 01:30:23.550
Bill Koeb: He thought he was a vampire.

1073
01:30:24.030 –> 01:30:28.110
John English: vampire and Nicholas Nicholas cage played the.

1074
01:30:30.690 –> 01:30:31.290
Cassandra Loomis Kim: vampire.

1075
01:30:31.350 –> 01:30:35.880
John English: Just to the vampire oh my gosh that movie I love that movie.

1076
01:30:36.270 –> 01:30:37.380
Bill Koeb: Such a funny movie.

1077
01:30:39.030 –> 01:30:41.850
Don Kilpatrick: The big fan of Nicolas cage and raising Arizona.

1078
01:30:42.060 –> 01:30:45.360
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh, my gosh it’s a classic and Helen hunt is a genius.

1079
01:30:48.270 –> 01:30:51.450
Don Kilpatrick: That was that was a that’s a classic I I could always watch that.

1080
01:30:52.080 –> 01:30:52.410
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I love.

1081
01:30:52.770 –> 01:30:54.420
Cassandra Loomis Kim: That, I think she is brilliant.

1082
01:30:54.690 –> 01:30:59.130
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah we have a family favorite every year, we always watch him for the holidays.

1083
01:30:59.820 –> 01:31:01.710
Don Kilpatrick: Oh okay cool.

1084
01:31:02.790 –> 01:31:04.740
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Robert downey jr great.

1085
01:31:05.100 –> 01:31:07.380
John English: i’m confusing Helen hunt with somebody else.

1086
01:31:07.590 –> 01:31:08.520
Tim Trabon: jodie foster.

1087
01:31:08.910 –> 01:31:11.460
Bill Koeb: No vampires kiss.

1088
01:31:12.630 –> 01:31:16.920
Tim Trabon: kiss I feel like people can use Helen hunt with jodie foster all the time.

1089
01:31:17.430 –> 01:31:18.090
I can see that.

1090
01:31:19.740 –> 01:31:21.210
Bill Koeb: Jennifer beals within that.

1091
01:31:23.190 –> 01:31:24.720
Don Kilpatrick: Jennifer be a while I haven’t heard from.

1092
01:31:25.050 –> 01:31:25.710
You is there.

1093
01:31:27.750 –> 01:31:31.710
Tim Trabon: john the poster for vampires kiss is not so.

1094
01:31:36.480 –> 01:31:37.170
Tim Trabon: check it out.

1095
01:31:38.310 –> 01:31:39.450
Tim Trabon: Here i’ll try and find it.

1096
01:31:41.370 –> 01:31:45.420
Bill Koeb: it’s on the imdb page just gonna grab the image.

1097
01:31:48.390 –> 01:31:48.840
Tim Trabon: yeah.

1098
01:31:51.870 –> 01:31:52.350
Tim Trabon: wow.

1099
01:31:57.000 –> 01:31:58.140
Tim Trabon: I can’t find the one that.

1100
01:31:59.340 –> 01:32:07.890
Bill Koeb: Somebody mentioned jodie foster in contact and I love jodie foster but I had i’m probably the only person, but real problems with the movie contact.

1101
01:32:08.550 –> 01:32:10.140
Tim Trabon: Oh, my God I love the movie.

1102
01:32:10.140 –> 01:32:11.010
Tim Trabon: Contact bill.

1103
01:32:12.690 –> 01:32:14.340
Tim Trabon: On it yeah.

1104
01:32:14.820 –> 01:32:15.540
Don Kilpatrick: I mean different.

1105
01:32:16.410 –> 01:32:17.520
Bill Koeb: How did they know.

1106
01:32:18.870 –> 01:32:23.820
Bill Koeb: What that machine was going to have they not know what that machine was going to do when they built it.

1107
01:32:24.630 –> 01:32:29.880
Tim Trabon: And bill I don’t know that we can I don’t know that I can i’ve seen it recently enough to.

1108
01:32:29.940 –> 01:32:30.870
get into the plot.

1109
01:32:32.850 –> 01:32:37.350
Bill Koeb: I only remember it because I watched it, I was in San Diego and.

1110
01:32:38.520 –> 01:32:42.450
Bill Koeb: I watched it and I just remember everybody else loving it and I was just like.

1111
01:32:43.650 –> 01:32:45.240
Bill Koeb: Oh, my God that’s hilarious image.

1112
01:32:46.170 –> 01:32:47.550
Bill Koeb: that’s a different image than.

1113
01:32:48.630 –> 01:32:49.320
Bill Koeb: You know.

1114
01:32:50.490 –> 01:32:55.680
John English: Okay, so I gotta back up again Cassandra you thinking about holly hunter.

1115
01:32:58.140 –> 01:32:58.650
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah.

1116
01:32:59.040 –> 01:33:02.250
John English: Okay cuz I was like Helen hunt, it was in twister and I was like.

1117
01:33:02.430 –> 01:33:03.630
Cassandra Loomis Kim: you’re right, I was getting into.

1118
01:33:06.870 –> 01:33:08.100
Bill Koeb: that’s right holly hunter.

1119
01:33:08.760 –> 01:33:11.280
John English: I think holly hunters fantastic.

1120
01:33:11.700 –> 01:33:12.090
yeah.

1121
01:33:13.680 –> 01:33:17.880
Tim Trabon: I just seen how I just assumed like wow I did not know how it hot at a rolling.

1122
01:33:17.940 –> 01:33:18.930
Tim Trabon: Raising Arizona.

1123
01:33:19.710 –> 01:33:20.070
yeah.

1124
01:33:21.510 –> 01:33:21.780
Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

1125
01:33:22.740 –> 01:33:23.700
Bill Koeb: I like to.

1126
01:33:26.430 –> 01:33:30.090
Tim Trabon: I on the topic of contact now I I felt like.

1127
01:33:32.610 –> 01:33:34.950
Tim Trabon: Well interstellar was like just a re.

1128
01:33:36.150 –> 01:33:38.010
Tim Trabon: contact the sequel which I loved.

1129
01:33:38.490 –> 01:33:39.750
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I felt the same way.

1130
01:33:40.470 –> 01:33:43.830
Don Kilpatrick: yeah they’re interesting it’s an interesting idea, I think.

1131
01:33:44.160 –> 01:33:45.240
Tim Trabon: Also arrival.

1132
01:33:45.660 –> 01:33:48.240
Bill Koeb: loved her I love arrival yeah.

1133
01:33:50.310 –> 01:33:50.760
Tim Trabon: yeah.

1134
01:33:53.430 –> 01:33:53.910
yeah.

1135
01:33:55.290 –> 01:33:56.160
Don Kilpatrick: I don’t think I saw that.

1136
01:33:57.390 –> 01:33:58.890
Tim Trabon: man was great done.

1137
01:34:00.390 –> 01:34:01.680
Tim Trabon: If you like, if you like.

1138
01:34:03.930 –> 01:34:04.620
Tim Trabon: movies.

1139
01:34:08.790 –> 01:34:09.210
Tim Trabon: sure.

1140
01:34:12.600 –> 01:34:14.130
Don Kilpatrick: yeah sure whatever man.

1141
01:34:14.160 –> 01:34:14.430
Bill Koeb: yeah.

1142
01:34:14.490 –> 01:34:16.260
Tim Trabon: But it can take a really.

1143
01:34:16.620 –> 01:34:18.810
Don Kilpatrick: good for you yeah I could totally.

1144
01:34:21.570 –> 01:34:27.330
Don Kilpatrick: yeah I know I know that that soderbergh film was was filmed at least part of it was filmed in Detroit.

1145
01:34:28.680 –> 01:34:44.340
Don Kilpatrick: I was over at that lily right across the street, where they were doing some shots because they had a they closed off the road and they they dressed it up and all kinds of old cars that I, you know you see a lot of old cars out here, obviously, but not to that extent.

1146
01:34:45.810 –> 01:34:51.960
Tim Trabon: yeah and the topic of just like prodigies I still don’t like when I see.

1147
01:34:54.030 –> 01:35:01.350
Tim Trabon: From the limited experience I have from seeing people operate on set and control like like manage a large group of people.

1148
01:35:02.670 –> 01:35:08.370
Tim Trabon: And then going to see like a Christopher nolan movie or a Spielberg movie or.

1149
01:35:09.390 –> 01:35:11.820
Tim Trabon: Really any of those any of those people.

1150
01:35:13.260 –> 01:35:29.610
Tim Trabon: It just seems like Oh, there has to be a fruit, they have to be a freak of nature purse it it gets to a point where like you couldn’t know, nobody could be trained to be that good that engagement management it’s management at that level right right.

1151
01:35:30.240 –> 01:35:45.090
Don Kilpatrick: Yes, I was like I see part of them filming deleted the last Batman that he that he directed right outside of the bond adventure, when I was staying there in La and it was I totally agree with it was like clockwork it was amazing to watch.

1152
01:35:45.750 –> 01:35:55.200
Tim Trabon: How they did what what like what great directors have to like the the level that they have to like understand all the different roles that are happening on that said.

1153
01:35:56.160 –> 01:36:07.980
Tim Trabon: it’s it’s really amazing to me, I mean I know also I know a lot of it it’s like Chris nolan’s great because he’s got a great assistant director and by probably a million producers, but.

1154
01:36:09.570 –> 01:36:11.550
Tim Trabon: cool done, what do you what are you doing now.

1155
01:36:12.120 –> 01:36:30.090
Don Kilpatrick: So i’m i’m using my etching press to print the print the mountain so just running it through right now, it might be coming through upside down, I was trying to figure that out and just didn’t have enough time but i’ll flip it around once it comes off the press here.

1156
01:36:33.000 –> 01:36:38.160
Don Kilpatrick: What you don’t see underneath this kind of red pieces there’s the impression cylinder that you adjust.

1157
01:36:39.360 –> 01:36:42.750
Don Kilpatrick: And this is just kind of a catch all for all my little.

1158
01:36:43.290 –> 01:36:46.380
Bill Koeb: tools and stuff after did that come with the press.

1159
01:36:46.590 –> 01:36:50.400
Bill Koeb: yeah God that’s a I wish I had that on my purse that’s a great little.

1160
01:36:51.120 –> 01:36:52.800
Don Kilpatrick: yeah it’s been nice to have.

1161
01:36:54.780 –> 01:36:55.260
Don Kilpatrick: But.

1162
01:36:56.280 –> 01:36:57.240
Bill Koeb: Oh beautiful.

1163
01:36:57.840 –> 01:36:59.280
Bill Koeb: Things Nice.

1164
01:37:00.900 –> 01:37:02.130
Bill Koeb: really nice print.

1165
01:37:02.550 –> 01:37:03.150
Don Kilpatrick: Thank you, I.

1166
01:37:04.680 –> 01:37:06.900
Don Kilpatrick: really love and having this thing I I.

1167
01:37:08.370 –> 01:37:22.590
Don Kilpatrick: You know I got it in I think early April and then just been really enjoying it it’s it’s pretty it’s given me a lot of range of things I can do i’ve been able to do quite a bit different things with it so.

1168
01:37:24.870 –> 01:37:27.210
Bill Koeb: I like that your blankets, are as messed up as mine.

1169
01:37:27.840 –> 01:37:32.160
Don Kilpatrick: yeah you know I um I was presenting earlier today.

1170
01:37:33.960 –> 01:37:45.000
Don Kilpatrick: I did another presentation today for hearing here in Detroit and I was getting a lot of questions about that my take on, it is like you know I it’s felt, you know, and I think.

1171
01:37:45.780 –> 01:37:52.950
Don Kilpatrick: I personally like to print on the felt after I do like a you know significant edition or something.

1172
01:37:53.490 –> 01:38:04.140
Don Kilpatrick: I kind of figured it’s like you know yeah I could worry about this, this being clean but it’s kind of like if I if I let it get dirty, then I don’t get hung up on the unimportant things when i’m trying to print.

1173
01:38:04.500 –> 01:38:05.940
Bill Koeb: yeah absolutely.

1174
01:38:06.540 –> 01:38:19.410
Don Kilpatrick: And you know other printers have a different attitude I like no knock against someone who wants to have you know pristine you know I tried to keep a clean workspace you know so i’m not making a mess, or you know ruining my work but.

1175
01:38:20.460 –> 01:38:37.500
Don Kilpatrick: I also think that you can overthink that stuff and just it can really limit what you try to experiment with I mean you’re not kind of the point life is short and you kind of you know, using art supplies, why not you’re going to get a little messy you know it’s kind of the fun yeah.

1176
01:38:38.430 –> 01:38:41.370
Bill Koeb: Now what how thick is that plate that you’re using.

1177
01:38:41.910 –> 01:38:43.710
Don Kilpatrick: So this is like super thin.

1178
01:38:43.890 –> 01:38:45.390
Bill Koeb: And melons really thin yeah.

1179
01:38:45.570 –> 01:38:57.060
Don Kilpatrick: it’s like a thin piece of plexiglass it’s you know it’s it’s another speed ball thing it’s I was just testing them out, they have a whole line of printmaking inks thea kula yeah.

1180
01:38:57.510 –> 01:38:58.350
Bill Koeb: i’ve got okay.

1181
01:38:58.530 –> 01:39:09.420
Don Kilpatrick: yeah, so this is point zero 30 of an inch thick, so I would say, this is a millimeter thickness well or maybe even a half millimeter thickness.

1182
01:39:10.860 –> 01:39:24.180
Don Kilpatrick: But they’re great they come in packs of three you peel off the covering on the front, or the back, and you know, after this kind of gets a little bit messed up i’ll just you know flip it around and peel the backing, on the other side, and neither.

1183
01:39:24.180 –> 01:39:30.150
Bill Koeb: Side yeah yeah no i’ve used those before I do that I taught some kids to do mono tapes and.

1184
01:39:30.720 –> 01:39:40.440
Don Kilpatrick: we’re super cheap and they work well, and you know this this, these are coding so it’s kind of, like the other stuff that you know cleans off with you know just soap and water and stuff yeah.

1185
01:39:40.740 –> 01:39:41.700
Bill Koeb: Baby oil too.

1186
01:39:42.030 –> 01:39:43.110
Don Kilpatrick: yeah yeah.

1187
01:39:44.430 –> 01:39:46.410
Bill Koeb: You know this take watercolor pretty well.

1188
01:39:47.460 –> 01:39:55.290
Don Kilpatrick: yeah that’s cool I you know i’ve yet to try it and i’m going to sell my it’s definitely something I want to go further with you know yeah.

1189
01:39:56.370 –> 01:39:58.740
Don Kilpatrick: that’s great it looks fantastic yeah.

1190
01:39:58.920 –> 01:39:59.790
Bill Koeb: What kind of paper is.

1191
01:40:00.450 –> 01:40:01.560
Don Kilpatrick: Just read SPF K.

1192
01:40:02.970 –> 01:40:10.140
Don Kilpatrick: yeah it’s it I, personally, I love this paper I you know I love printing with it, but I also have you know i’ve.

1193
01:40:10.920 –> 01:40:21.810
Don Kilpatrick: i’ve hand bound my own sketchbooks out of it because I like it so much you know it’s really it handles talking about handling watercolor it handles watercolor like nothing else yeah yeah.

1194
01:40:23.280 –> 01:40:28.350
Don Kilpatrick: I like I like to have the natural White for my sketchbooks, though, because this is a little bit right.

1195
01:40:30.870 –> 01:40:33.030
Don Kilpatrick: But yeah it’s it’s been great.

1196
01:40:36.420 –> 01:40:38.280
Cassandra Loomis Kim: to learn how to hand bound a sketchbook.

1197
01:40:39.390 –> 01:40:49.050
Bill Koeb: Oh there’s a yeah there’s a I got a great book on paper, making and book binding several years ago.

1198
01:40:50.280 –> 01:40:52.440
Bill Koeb: see if I can dig it up, but it’s got a lot of.

1199
01:40:54.120 –> 01:40:56.280
Don Kilpatrick: yeah there’s there’s some.

1200
01:40:57.690 –> 01:41:01.440
Don Kilpatrick: there’s a book to that i’ll you know just remind me and i’ll send you the title it’s.

1201
01:41:02.670 –> 01:41:10.530
Don Kilpatrick: Book binding without paste or glue always forget the guy who there’s a series of my forget I forget the name of the guy who wrote it but that’s where I learned.

1202
01:41:11.490 –> 01:41:18.780
Don Kilpatrick: You know i’m not you know I just learned a couple of techniques out of it but it’s it’s kind of I suppose the Coptic stitch is what I.

1203
01:41:20.130 –> 01:41:22.800
Don Kilpatrick: figured out and it’s you know haven’t done it in a while, but.

1204
01:41:26.610 –> 01:41:29.340
Bill Koeb: I only made one phone book, it was a.

1205
01:41:31.020 –> 01:41:32.970
Bill Koeb: photo album as a wedding gift.

1206
01:41:34.260 –> 01:41:35.550
Oh cool and.

1207
01:41:36.900 –> 01:41:39.300
Bill Koeb: But I had I had so much fun doing it, you know.

1208
01:41:41.700 –> 01:41:42.810
Don Kilpatrick: yeah no that’s great.

1209
01:41:43.350 –> 01:41:44.550
Bill Koeb: Have you ever made paper.

1210
01:41:45.090 –> 01:42:06.330
Don Kilpatrick: No, I that’s something on my to do list yes that’s definitely something I want to try, you know prior to me arriving here to teach back in 2007 they they used to have like a real amazing some real amazing equipment for that here, but they sadly they got rid of it before I got here.

1211
01:42:07.740 –> 01:42:11.040
Don Kilpatrick: I would love to take a crack at it and try using it, but.

1212
01:42:13.620 –> 01:42:27.810
Don Kilpatrick: You don’t have a friend here in Detroit who’s in the process of of you know, doing some things with that and i’m hoping, they can get things off the ground with it because it’s really amazing what they’re doing using tossed away rags for.

1213
01:42:29.760 –> 01:42:41.940
Don Kilpatrick: Some of their paper and stuff there, yes it’s gonna be interesting when I when I can talk a little bit more about it but there’s some great things with sustainability happening with that we’re heading.

1214
01:42:43.260 –> 01:42:43.710
yeah.

1215
01:42:45.930 –> 01:42:48.540
Bill Koeb: I had a friend who took classes in it years ago.

1216
01:42:50.130 –> 01:42:51.870
Bill Koeb: Right after right after art school.

1217
01:42:53.760 –> 01:43:03.420
Bill Koeb: And she made some really beautiful papers with you know found objects like leaves and things and gene material and.

1218
01:43:03.960 –> 01:43:04.440
Oh yeah.

1219
01:43:07.710 –> 01:43:10.680
Bill Koeb: All kinds of natural pigment that pigment dies, and so.

1220
01:43:12.990 –> 01:43:15.240
Bill Koeb: I want to try some of the vegetable guys.

1221
01:43:16.080 –> 01:43:16.680
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah.

1222
01:43:17.130 –> 01:43:19.920
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Do you guys know the artist john Walker at all.

1223
01:43:21.540 –> 01:43:27.810
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh, he liked makes us some frames, but he, like posted a video of making his own walnut Inc oh cool.

1224
01:43:27.870 –> 01:43:28.410
Don Kilpatrick: Oh wow.

1225
01:43:28.710 –> 01:43:29.550
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah and.

1226
01:43:30.780 –> 01:43:36.510
Cassandra Loomis Kim: he’s so nice like I messaged him I was like can you break this down more I just I want the exact measurements of everything.

1227
01:43:37.590 –> 01:43:46.410
Don Kilpatrick: There there’s a really amazing book on making your own owning because well and i’m spacing on the title, but if you remind me i’ll send you guys, the title of that.

1228
01:43:47.370 –> 01:43:51.930
Don Kilpatrick: You know the guys like forging he’s making ink from rusty nails and stuff like that.

1229
01:43:53.250 –> 01:43:54.570
Don Kilpatrick: One of our one of our.

1230
01:43:55.800 –> 01:44:03.090
Don Kilpatrick: We have a color and materials design master’s program here and the department, Chair of of that Program.

1231
01:44:04.590 –> 01:44:11.490
Don Kilpatrick: I think knows this person and experiments with a lot of you know it’s the essence of that program where they’re they’re.

1232
01:44:11.970 –> 01:44:21.510
Don Kilpatrick: going through those different processes, you know part engineering part creativity, where they’re partnering up with a lot of the auto manufacturers and developing different things you know.

1233
01:44:22.290 –> 01:44:29.280
Don Kilpatrick: And it’s pretty cool some of the stuff that they’re there they’re making out of things that you would never suspect wow.

1234
01:44:29.880 –> 01:44:35.010
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah Fred was telling me like red onions, like the skin of it, you can make a really pretty color.

1235
01:44:35.460 –> 01:44:36.090
Don Kilpatrick: Oh wow.

1236
01:44:37.920 –> 01:44:37.980
Don Kilpatrick: I.

1237
01:44:38.190 –> 01:44:42.630
Bill Koeb: wonder if you could take any of the old car manufacturing equipment use it to make him.

1238
01:44:45.630 –> 01:44:55.830
Don Kilpatrick: Oh yeah um well yeah there’s some there’s some alternatives, I went down the rabbit hole of alternative presses and things and.

1239
01:44:57.390 –> 01:45:01.350
Don Kilpatrick: it’s pretty you know that there’s some real cost effective options for that.

1240
01:45:03.060 –> 01:45:16.320
Don Kilpatrick: You know i’m i’m excited to try it out like you know if someone is like oh I don’t know if i’ve got the cash to get you know, an etching press there’s cold laminated you know that you hand crank that work.

1241
01:45:17.580 –> 01:45:24.180
Don Kilpatrick: And do really amazing you know, especially if you don’t want to spend a lot of money on like a printmaking studio type setting.

1242
01:45:25.560 –> 01:45:28.650
Don Kilpatrick: You can get a really large one of those for under $200.

1243
01:45:28.860 –> 01:45:29.970
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh that’s cool now.

1244
01:45:30.030 –> 01:45:31.230
Bill Koeb: that’s a great idea.

1245
01:45:31.860 –> 01:45:32.340
Bill Koeb: yeah.

1246
01:45:32.730 –> 01:45:33.960
Don Kilpatrick: You know I share that to.

1247
01:45:35.190 –> 01:45:42.810
Don Kilpatrick: You know i’ve went down the rabbit hole with that the other day, because I was, I was talking with a friend and he just kind of casually mentioned it.

1248
01:45:43.320 –> 01:45:49.410
Don Kilpatrick: And I could tell he didn’t want to talk more about it, so I was like ooh I got to find out what this is all about, and so I.

1249
01:45:49.860 –> 01:46:00.420
Don Kilpatrick: You know about a couple hours later, I found a few different YouTube videos on it and fully like you know made my notes and list, and I think i’m going to grab one just to you know have it and try it.

1250
01:46:00.930 –> 01:46:07.440
Tim Trabon: yeah yeah hey so we’re a minute out from the last in the last pose.

1251
01:46:09.000 –> 01:46:11.670
Tim Trabon: So we’ll be we’re going to be checking out everybody’s work really soon.

1252
01:46:13.020 –> 01:46:19.500
Tim Trabon: One of the things I was going to mention, though, is we’ve got mini mini courses coming up in a couple weeks.

1253
01:46:20.850 –> 01:46:31.560
Tim Trabon: And one of the things that one of the really awesome classes that are available to that you should definitely check out our color theory and figure drawing i’ll share link.

1254
01:46:33.630 –> 01:46:34.290
yeah.

1255
01:46:37.980 –> 01:46:39.960
John English: color theory is taught by Brett watkinson.

1256
01:46:41.040 –> 01:46:41.790
Cassandra Loomis Kim: it’s so good.

1257
01:46:42.150 –> 01:46:44.610
John English: It is amazing class.

1258
01:46:45.780 –> 01:46:49.980
John English: Right is have to go and sit and listen to that class because.

1259
01:46:51.030 –> 01:46:56.160
John English: He teaches applied color how to use it and you know color theory.

1260
01:46:57.240 –> 01:47:15.900
John English: is great, but if you can’t put it into action it’s it’s just there he teaches he teaches application really well when it’s always great to listen to his class he introduces artists, that I promise you, you will I don’t care, who goes in there.

1261
01:47:17.370 –> 01:47:21.420
John English: you end up learning about artists that you haven’t heard of before.

1262
01:47:23.520 –> 01:47:27.870
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I still have my palate the same way that he taught that was 20 years ago.

1263
01:47:29.550 –> 01:47:31.740
John English: Well, it hasn’t changed the theory still works.

1264
01:47:33.870 –> 01:47:40.290
Tim Trabon: that’s great well the timer just went off so everybody post your work panelists you can keep drawing.

1265
01:47:41.580 –> 01:47:48.390
Tim Trabon: But if you’re an attendee please post your work, so we can check it out we’re gonna look at what everybody’s been up to.

1266
01:48:00.060 –> 01:48:02.790
Tim Trabon: It almost looks like you’re drawing was wearing your glasses.

1267
01:48:03.360 –> 01:48:04.080
Bill Koeb: You know.

1268
01:48:11.430 –> 01:48:12.570
John English: What are you doing God.

1269
01:48:13.890 –> 01:48:16.740
Don Kilpatrick: Oh i’m you know wiping off the last.

1270
01:48:17.130 –> 01:48:18.630
John English: Oh you’re cleaning your plate.

1271
01:48:19.080 –> 01:48:20.310
Don Kilpatrick: yeah just going to start with.

1272
01:48:20.310 –> 01:48:21.210
Don Kilpatrick: The last one I.

1273
01:48:22.290 –> 01:48:26.160
Don Kilpatrick: You know I just use a little bit of windex and there, it goes.

1274
01:48:27.030 –> 01:48:29.010
John English: i’m trying to do the same with my hands.

1275
01:48:31.320 –> 01:48:32.070
John English: I have this.

1276
01:48:33.420 –> 01:48:35.340
John English: Black fingertips, that I have to now.

1277
01:48:38.310 –> 01:48:41.220
Tim Trabon: Job do you ever wear gloves is there is that even possible.

1278
01:48:41.910 –> 01:48:48.810
John English: No, I don’t I can’t wear gloves and work with pastels pastels is that it’s not dangerous to touch them once you clean your hands.

1279
01:48:49.980 –> 01:48:58.200
Don Kilpatrick: I can’t repeat what one of my my friend’s dad owns a towel company and I can’t repeat his quote that his opinion of wearing gloves.

1280
01:49:00.840 –> 01:49:01.560
Don Kilpatrick: off air.

1281
01:49:02.760 –> 01:49:04.140
John English: Times that you should.

1282
01:49:04.380 –> 01:49:05.130
John English: love, so I mean.

1283
01:49:06.240 –> 01:49:12.720
Tim Trabon: No, I was just thinking your hands are always clean and I see you john and now it’s much more surprising well.

1284
01:49:13.740 –> 01:49:15.870
John English: they’re not going to be too clean tonight.

1285
01:49:16.260 –> 01:49:16.740
yeah.

1286
01:49:21.060 –> 01:49:23.310
John English: This is, after i’ve cleaned them so.

1287
01:49:26.970 –> 01:49:29.820
Tim Trabon: yeah you’re not really like set up for like committing crimes.

1288
01:49:35.310 –> 01:49:35.880
John English: yeah.

1289
01:49:37.530 –> 01:49:38.610
Don Kilpatrick: don’t quit your day job.

1290
01:49:49.260 –> 01:49:50.760
Bill Koeb: I like what you’re doing there Cassandra.

1291
01:49:51.630 –> 01:49:59.970
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Thanks I I meant to go to the last pose and I just kept wanting to see how far I could push this because it was kicking my butt.

1292
01:50:03.030 –> 01:50:05.520
John English: wow there’s some really nice drawings here.

1293
01:50:06.000 –> 01:50:06.720
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I believe it.

1294
01:50:13.290 –> 01:50:13.680
John English: We got.

1295
01:50:14.880 –> 01:50:15.960
John English: one more minute timmy.

1296
01:50:22.050 –> 01:50:22.410
John English: timmy.

1297
01:50:23.370 –> 01:50:25.170
Cassandra Loomis Kim: i’m gonna take that as a yes one more minute.

1298
01:50:32.430 –> 01:50:34.920
Bill Koeb: that’s cool I like the Little Red belts on there to.

1299
01:50:37.800 –> 01:50:38.670
Don Kilpatrick: really nice.

1300
01:50:53.010 –> 01:51:02.010
John English: The public doesn’t see this, and they can’t and thankfully they don’t see it, we have a group text, the association isolation text.

1301
01:51:03.270 –> 01:51:04.590
John English: And there’s a lot of trash talking.

1302
01:51:07.020 –> 01:51:09.180
John English: And Dale and Gil right now it’s pretty funny.

1303
01:51:11.100 –> 01:51:13.080
John English: of why they can’t be there and.

1304
01:51:17.940 –> 01:51:18.600
Bill Koeb: it’s awesome.

1305
01:51:19.110 –> 01:51:20.340
John English: Right who’s this guy.

1306
01:51:23.070 –> 01:51:25.800
Bill Koeb: I like the I like the gift that Ray posted that’s.

1307
01:51:27.840 –> 01:51:28.290
Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

1308
01:51:28.620 –> 01:51:30.930
Bill Koeb: i’m so hurt can’t believe it.

1309
01:51:31.650 –> 01:51:34.830
John English: Okay, so i’m going to refresh here one last time.

1310
01:51:37.980 –> 01:51:39.990
John English: And then i’ll share my screen and we’ll be off.

1311
01:51:57.300 –> 01:51:58.560
John English: Alright, can you see it.

1312
01:51:59.850 –> 01:52:02.490
Don Kilpatrick: looks good oh wow yeah.

1313
01:52:03.270 –> 01:52:05.010
John English: Look at that look at some of this stuff.

1314
01:52:05.610 –> 01:52:06.570
Cassandra Loomis Kim: looks so good.

1315
01:52:06.750 –> 01:52:07.650
Don Kilpatrick: really nice.

1316
01:52:09.840 –> 01:52:10.950
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Good job check.

1317
01:52:11.700 –> 01:52:12.810
Don Kilpatrick: yeah really nice.

1318
01:52:17.280 –> 01:52:17.850
Look at that.

1319
01:52:21.510 –> 01:52:22.260
John English: wow.

1320
01:52:22.680 –> 01:52:23.400
Don Kilpatrick: really nice.

1321
01:52:23.430 –> 01:52:24.330
flat ground wow.

1322
01:52:25.350 –> 01:52:26.220
John English: dreamily good.

1323
01:52:26.640 –> 01:52:27.600
Tim Trabon: I like the middle one.

1324
01:52:28.740 –> 01:52:29.580
Don Kilpatrick: Oh wow.

1325
01:52:36.840 –> 01:52:37.560
Don Kilpatrick: So cool.

1326
01:52:37.800 –> 01:52:38.520
Tim Trabon: Age nine.

1327
01:52:38.970 –> 01:52:40.050
John English: gauge nine.

1328
01:52:40.590 –> 01:52:41.820
Don Kilpatrick: awesome keep going.

1329
01:52:42.120 –> 01:52:42.600
brilliant.

1330
01:52:45.060 –> 01:52:46.620
John English: This is good, he says publicity.

1331
01:52:47.280 –> 01:52:49.290
John English: is always going to be competition out there.

1332
01:52:49.530 –> 01:52:49.950
Don Kilpatrick: You have.

1333
01:52:50.220 –> 01:52:52.170
Bill Koeb: Somebody younger coming up behind you.

1334
01:52:54.480 –> 01:52:57.330
John English: there’s always a faster gun you gotta watch out.

1335
01:52:58.350 –> 01:53:00.450
Bill Koeb: i’m going to start putting my age on my drawing.

1336
01:53:01.980 –> 01:53:03.990
Bill Koeb: Although I don’t think that will impress anybody.

1337
01:53:06.420 –> 01:53:07.350
Bill Koeb: Or the reverse.

1338
01:53:09.300 –> 01:53:15.780
John English: yeah that’s what that’s what my career, when I was joking about that and that guy’s been doing this for 16 years he’s often.

1339
01:53:17.400 –> 01:53:18.300
John English: better than this.

1340
01:53:19.110 –> 01:53:20.010
Bill Koeb: that’s a nice one to.

1341
01:53:20.910 –> 01:53:21.750
John English: that’s really nice.

1342
01:53:22.980 –> 01:53:23.550
Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

1343
01:53:25.980 –> 01:53:28.470
John English: started in watercolor and finished in pastel.

1344
01:53:30.900 –> 01:53:32.580
John English: With some line work in there.

1345
01:53:36.600 –> 01:53:37.830
John English: bunch of good shrines.

1346
01:53:40.020 –> 01:53:41.640
John English: that’s very nice mm hmm.

1347
01:53:47.400 –> 01:53:48.600
Cassandra Loomis Kim: I like that one yeah.

1348
01:53:50.250 –> 01:53:51.000
Tim Trabon: that’s great.

1349
01:53:51.300 –> 01:53:53.190
Don Kilpatrick: yeah terrific.

1350
01:53:56.580 –> 01:53:57.270
John English: fun too.

1351
01:53:58.170 –> 01:53:58.650
Bill Koeb: Oh yeah.

1352
01:54:08.520 –> 01:54:09.000
John English: well.

1353
01:54:13.260 –> 01:54:14.070
Tim Trabon: Oh great.

1354
01:54:14.340 –> 01:54:15.630
John English: Good good screening.

1355
01:54:15.690 –> 01:54:17.070
Cassandra Loomis Kim: screen when you can skateboard.

1356
01:54:17.130 –> 01:54:17.910
John English: yeah that’s right.

1357
01:54:20.430 –> 01:54:21.870
John English: that’s pretty fun.

1358
01:54:24.300 –> 01:54:25.500
John English: Nice very.

1359
01:54:26.130 –> 01:54:26.820
Cassandra Loomis Kim: good job.

1360
01:54:27.360 –> 01:54:27.930
John English: Very good.

1361
01:54:32.160 –> 01:54:32.880
that’s great.

1362
01:54:33.990 –> 01:54:35.910
John English: So many great ones check this out.

1363
01:54:42.570 –> 01:54:44.760
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Really captured all the movement so well.

1364
01:54:48.450 –> 01:54:49.020
John English: Oh wow.

1365
01:54:54.840 –> 01:54:55.680
John English: Great ones.

1366
01:54:58.590 –> 01:55:00.330
Tim Trabon: Very good morrison like them.

1367
01:55:02.280 –> 01:55:03.960
John English: I gotta show felicity.

1368
01:55:06.780 –> 01:55:07.500
Don Kilpatrick: Nice.

1369
01:55:27.180 –> 01:55:30.960
John English: I am not working on corrugated cardboard but i’ve been working on cardboard.

1370
01:55:31.980 –> 01:55:36.990
Cassandra Loomis Kim: know I got I want to know what you’re like what you’re working I want I want some of it that sounds cool.

1371
01:55:40.620 –> 01:55:41.520
Tim Trabon: that’s great.

1372
01:55:41.640 –> 01:55:42.420
Cassandra Loomis Kim: mm hmm.

1373
01:55:42.720 –> 01:55:45.210
Tim Trabon: Like the background and the other one too it’s fun.

1374
01:55:46.320 –> 01:55:46.950
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah.

1375
01:55:47.940 –> 01:55:48.480
Nice.

1376
01:55:49.500 –> 01:55:50.340
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Like Zen.

1377
01:55:51.780 –> 01:55:52.470
John English: That is.

1378
01:55:52.590 –> 01:55:53.610
John English: I knew that was him.

1379
01:55:54.930 –> 01:55:55.920
John English: really great stomach.

1380
01:55:56.490 –> 01:55:57.390
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Really cool.

1381
01:55:58.080 –> 01:55:58.680
it’s fun.

1382
01:56:00.000 –> 01:56:00.720
Bill Koeb: Oh Nice.

1383
01:56:02.670 –> 01:56:05.880
John English: Oh, look at that what a nice drawing Julian.

1384
01:56:06.540 –> 01:56:12.180
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Julian Oh, he he mentioned that he was having some vertigo, so I hope you feel better man, you know.

1385
01:56:12.600 –> 01:56:17.430
John English: I made a joke with Julian last week, and it was kind of a dark Joe.

1386
01:56:20.190 –> 01:56:23.340
John English: I asked for his address because we’re gonna have to get rid of them.

1387
01:56:24.150 –> 01:56:25.350
John English: I wanted to know where you live.

1388
01:56:27.510 –> 01:56:32.790
John English: Give me a message during the week I haven’t responded to saw it yesterday and I apologize.

1389
01:56:34.680 –> 01:56:38.040
John English: But I wouldn’t answer your door anytime soon Julia.

1390
01:56:39.030 –> 01:56:40.950
John English: yeah yeah.

1391
01:56:45.570 –> 01:56:46.560
Don Kilpatrick: really nice.

1392
01:56:49.680 –> 01:56:50.370
Tim Trabon: that’s cool.

1393
01:56:52.620 –> 01:56:53.160
John English: How are you.

1394
01:56:53.490 –> 01:56:54.240
John English: See you in a while.

1395
01:56:55.380 –> 01:56:57.060
John English: Look at that foot yeah.

1396
01:57:01.470 –> 01:57:03.270
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh, I like that yeah.

1397
01:57:03.540 –> 01:57:06.690
Cassandra Loomis Kim: whoo way to get the Olympic rings in.

1398
01:57:06.990 –> 01:57:07.890
Bill Koeb: Most design.

1399
01:57:15.600 –> 01:57:16.080
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh.

1400
01:57:16.170 –> 01:57:18.150
Tim Trabon: yeah cigarettes good man.

1401
01:57:18.630 –> 01:57:18.990
yeah.

1402
01:57:20.880 –> 01:57:22.920
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah he’s just been busy graduating.

1403
01:57:22.950 –> 01:57:26.100
John English: You just graduated from the interface MFA Program.

1404
01:57:26.670 –> 01:57:28.620
John English: graduations yeah yeah.

1405
01:57:31.440 –> 01:57:34.410
John English: Good drives in here nice Nice.

1406
01:57:34.680 –> 01:57:36.870
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh really nice well.

1407
01:57:39.060 –> 01:57:39.720
John English: Oh.

1408
01:57:40.200 –> 01:57:40.650
Tim Trabon: we’re going.

1409
01:57:43.170 –> 01:57:43.410
Tim Trabon: Great.

1410
01:57:43.440 –> 01:57:44.040
Tim Trabon: worth it.

1411
01:57:44.100 –> 01:57:45.330
John English: worth it good job.

1412
01:57:48.540 –> 01:57:52.560
Cassandra Loomis Kim: The time I didn’t point out the yellow arrow john was like, why did you say.

1413
01:57:54.060 –> 01:57:55.710
Tim Trabon: That sounds just like john cuz.

1414
01:57:57.660 –> 01:57:58.650
Don Kilpatrick: I heard it, I was there.

1415
01:57:59.670 –> 01:58:00.030
Tim Trabon: yeah.

1416
01:58:00.930 –> 01:58:01.650
John English: hi Rebecca.

1417
01:58:01.770 –> 01:58:04.740
Cassandra Loomis Kim: really nice wow all your work this week was great.

1418
01:58:06.810 –> 01:58:07.440
Tim Trabon: I love that.

1419
01:58:08.970 –> 01:58:09.480
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Electric.

1420
01:58:10.260 –> 01:58:11.430
Tim Trabon: It is totally.

1421
01:58:15.270 –> 01:58:16.890
John English: Nice pieces look at this.

1422
01:58:21.600 –> 01:58:23.700
Tim Trabon: What was your favorite photo to Dr.

1423
01:58:25.170 –> 01:58:25.860
Tim Trabon: Martha.

1424
01:58:26.580 –> 01:58:28.140
Don Kilpatrick: i’d say the karate pose.

1425
01:58:28.770 –> 01:58:30.840
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah and it gives the winner.

1426
01:58:31.470 –> 01:58:34.440
Tim Trabon: yeah which one, do you think everybody had the most success with.

1427
01:58:36.390 –> 01:58:37.260
Don Kilpatrick: Tough call.

1428
01:58:38.580 –> 01:58:41.430
John English: i’m going to say the karate post in the end the portrait.

1429
01:58:44.010 –> 01:58:44.550
Tim Trabon: it’s great.

1430
01:58:45.540 –> 01:58:50.640
John English: But you know there’s a few that handle the skateboarders really well to more than a few but.

1431
01:58:55.860 –> 01:58:59.820
Cassandra Loomis Kim: It was just um unexpected interesting shadows.

1432
01:59:01.620 –> 01:59:02.010
Bill Koeb: very nice.

1433
01:59:04.680 –> 01:59:05.400
Don Kilpatrick: really nice.

1434
01:59:19.680 –> 01:59:20.460
John English: Very good.

1435
01:59:25.980 –> 01:59:27.420
Tim Trabon: Oh, we got an on location.

1436
01:59:30.300 –> 01:59:30.870
John English: There you go.

1437
01:59:32.160 –> 01:59:32.640
Don Kilpatrick: Oh wow.

1438
01:59:39.630 –> 01:59:40.260
John English: that’s fine.

1439
01:59:49.500 –> 01:59:50.700
John English: that’s that’s cool.

1440
01:59:51.750 –> 01:59:52.170
Cassandra Loomis Kim: yeah.

1441
01:59:58.890 –> 01:59:59.670
Tim Trabon: Really cool.

1442
01:59:59.760 –> 02:00:03.870
Cassandra Loomis Kim: it’s really every single one of theirs this week they’ve just been on fire.

1443
02:00:06.570 –> 02:00:13.860
Tim Trabon: He jade is this your first time joining us is that a returning artist that’s great.

1444
02:00:19.410 –> 02:00:20.760
John English: lots of good one, so this one.

1445
02:00:22.800 –> 02:00:24.150
Tim Trabon: The yellows really cool.

1446
02:00:24.450 –> 02:00:25.050
huh.

1447
02:00:27.270 –> 02:00:27.660
Don Kilpatrick: yeah.

1448
02:00:30.540 –> 02:00:34.050
John English: It can be timid you’re gonna have to take color theory usually more.

1449
02:00:34.320 –> 02:00:34.620
what’s.

1450
02:00:37.980 –> 02:00:38.280
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Oh.

1451
02:00:41.700 –> 02:00:42.570
John English: that’s Nice.

1452
02:00:43.560 –> 02:00:44.550
Cassandra Loomis Kim: that’s really nice.

1453
02:00:47.070 –> 02:00:48.600
Tim Trabon: Somebody said, our dad joke.

1454
02:00:49.080 –> 02:00:49.530
yeah.

1455
02:00:51.810 –> 02:00:53.490
John English: Not not totally accurate either.

1456
02:00:54.360 –> 02:00:54.720
yeah.

1457
02:00:56.520 –> 02:00:57.720
Tim Trabon: i’m just gonna let it happen.

1458
02:01:05.340 –> 02:01:07.620
Cassandra Loomis Kim: that’s cool I liked all the texture.

1459
02:01:08.640 –> 02:01:10.470
Tim Trabon: valens really does I love that.

1460
02:01:10.650 –> 02:01:12.510
Don Kilpatrick: yeah graphic.

1461
02:01:13.320 –> 02:01:15.270
Tim Trabon: very graphic as Nice.

1462
02:01:15.960 –> 02:01:16.560
that’s great.

1463
02:01:19.500 –> 02:01:24.690
John English: Well, I think we’ve come to the end we’re seeing me and everybody yes.

1464
02:01:25.380 –> 02:01:26.880
Tim Trabon: awesome job everybody.

1465
02:01:27.000 –> 02:01:28.230
John English: Really fun night everybody.

1466
02:01:28.890 –> 02:01:29.670
Cassandra Loomis Kim: Thank you.

1467
02:01:29.820 –> 02:01:31.650
Tim Trabon: Thank you, yes, easily.

1468
02:01:32.190 –> 02:01:34.740
John English: You know I, I am going to mention this that.

1469
02:01:35.850 –> 02:01:39.270
John English: it’s still daylight out where I am timmy.

1470
02:01:39.690 –> 02:01:40.080
yeah.

1471
02:01:41.820 –> 02:01:43.290
John English: i’m just thinking about wintertime.

1472
02:01:45.990 –> 02:01:46.440
Tim Trabon: No.

1473
02:01:46.680 –> 02:01:47.220
John English: it’s yeah.

1474
02:01:47.310 –> 02:01:48.300
Cassandra Loomis Kim: bring it.

1475
02:01:50.760 –> 02:01:52.080
Don Kilpatrick: i’m not ready, not ready.

1476
02:01:52.410 –> 02:01:52.770
ready.

1477
02:01:54.360 –> 02:01:54.690
Tim Trabon: ready.

1478
02:01:54.720 –> 02:02:02.130
Tim Trabon: Thanks so much, if you want more check out our mini courses go to the website and our Thank you don bill.

1479
02:02:03.390 –> 02:02:13.170
John English: john you everybody is very fun night and we’ll see you all next week and hope to see we’ll see down we’re prepping for you, for Monday night.

1480
02:02:13.500 –> 02:02:15.060
Don Kilpatrick: yeah yeah excited can’t.

1481
02:02:15.060 –> 02:02:17.190
John English: Wait studio bridge.

1482
02:02:17.430 –> 02:02:20.040
Don Kilpatrick: yeah it’s gonna be awesome hope hope everyone can join in.

1483
02:02:20.580 –> 02:02:22.710
Tim Trabon: All right, Nice night everybody.

1484
02:02:23.790 –> 02:02:24.150
Thank you.

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